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paulcook
paulcook
Jun 2024
9:56pm, 26 Jun 2024
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paulcook
Indeed. What an achievement. The Nations League has discovered a real success story.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Jun 2024
10:29pm, 26 Jun 2024
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Chrisull
Czechs bowed out with pride and a passion that England could only dream of mustering. Disappointed but the youngest team in the tournament hamstrung with our second best midfielder falling of a bike before the tournament and talisman Schick injured in the Georgia game, and a ridiculous sending. Didn't give up, and I'd rater go down 2-1 chasing it still in injury time. But you need luck and there was none. Onwards.
Cheg
Cheg
Jun 2024
1:07am, 27 Jun 2024
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Cheg
England stumbled into the knockouts, top of their group. A position the Czechs can only dream of. You can keep your pride and passion.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Jun 2024
7:17am, 27 Jun 2024
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Chrisull
And this comment above tells you why the rest of Europe want England to lose. I hear the Danes were chanting ‘England, England it’s never coming home’ in the recent match.

ah well at least we’ve actually won the Euros with a penalty so famous it’s named after the player still. And don’t go all two world wars and one World Cup as I don’t care.

I’d rather back a team who turned up to the tournaments they play in, rather than disinterestedly push the ball to each other. Until the clueless manager takes the hint. Ultimately, to parrot the cliche, football needs to be the winner.

Italian fans pointing out Cole Palmer would walk into their team as a ‘fantastico’ , and indeed any team here. But worthy of 15 minutes so far. Bit like John Barnes in 1986. Southgate wakes up then England might yet win this, still better chance than France and Germany at this moment. And Slovakia won’t provide much resistance
Cheg
Cheg
Jun 2024
7:26am, 27 Jun 2024
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Cheg
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The Mussile
The Mussile
Jun 2024
7:57am, 27 Jun 2024
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The Mussile
This Euros has been pretty low quality so far. Of the 'big' teams only Spain seem to really have their sh*t together and everyone else seems fragile. We all know that that means Italy will probably win it.
The Mussile
The Mussile
Jun 2024
8:52am, 27 Jun 2024
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The Mussile
Chrisull wrote:And this comment above tells you why the rest of Europe want England to lose.


England can never win on this score - When fans support the team they are wrong, when fans don't support the team they are wrong. England and their fans are fair game to be attacked by all and sundry for many spurious reasons when England fans are vilified for doing the same in return. Its beyond boring at this stage
Chrisull
Chrisull
Jun 2024
9:22am, 27 Jun 2024
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Chrisull
I don't know, there's a particular kind of exceptionalism (other countries also guilty of, it isn't just an English thing - definitely encountered it from the Germans too), that gets up the noses of people - the media early on "if England don't win this tournament, it will be a failure" (that was an actually quote on the Beeb or ITV can't remember who said it) etc Ask the Irish, Scots and Welsh how they feel about English exceptionalism...

I mean if the media (and some fans) could go in and say, we've got a great team, but hey respect to France, Germany, Spain - who also have great teams, we reckon we can and will beat you but let's see, instead of the implicit attitude "we haven't thrashed a rubbish team like Slovenia 3-0", lets going on a bout of national self flagellation. Which is equally as tiresome.

After the Denmark game I was going, great result - England are through , I've seen England lose in "easier" groups than this. As Georgia, Romania and Austria have shown expectations are there to be confounded. England don't deserve a free pass against lesser teams, and shouldn't always be expected to win. As the "plucky underdog" you get more sensitive to these kind of assumptions, after being continually patronised. And I've seen it when the Czechs were one of the best teams in Europe at the time and still couldn't beat Greece...
paulcook
paulcook
Jun 2024
9:35am, 27 Jun 2024
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paulcook
And that post also explains some of the reasons we have against Southgate. You can argue all you want about how good or bad a coach / manager he is and I won’t necessarily disagree. But irrespective he’s outperformed every manager in 60 years. Because we’re all talk and have yet to replicate it on the pitch.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Jun 2024
9:45am, 27 Jun 2024
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Chrisull
Yeah tis true!

I must admit until this tournie I was still ready to say he should be kept. It's just the replication of the same mistakes - I mean I as a Birmingham City fan could see our legend Jude was hanging out of his arse (and not looking super enthusiastic) and giving the ball away against Slovenia and Foden who had been much improved was eventually the one who got subbed. When Jude should have been sacked off 10-15 minutes earlier than that.

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