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Oct 2008
11:48am, 14 Oct 2008
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controversial
BB 
Sarah what was Paul's number so I can check his pics?
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Oct 2008
11:51am, 14 Oct 2008
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LOL contro that is the way to do it.
In answer to your big question. I'm convinced that yes, training and acclimatisation does help, but so to does finishing a good hour before everyone else!!
That said, I'd already hit the ****y med tent by then, so it wasn't really the heat for me, I think it was the humidity (the only race I've actually collapsed in wasn't particularly hot, only ~20s but it *was* humid) - that and going off too fast. The elites train on the edge so much they read their bodies better than us mortals I'm sure of it.
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Oct 2008
11:54am, 14 Oct 2008
22,553 posts
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Gobi
Heat
It is an issue the longer you are out there. The Chicago mens winner had a blinder and ran a 3 min PB(2.06 winning time is FAST). Problem in the heat is usually hydration. The more marathons you do in heat the better you get at understanding how much fluid the body needs. A bigger enemy is humidity(obviously heat and humidity is total death).
As we run more and more races we analyse more and more and learn what works for us. Some people never learn to deal with heat whereas many others will just laugh at it until it gets to 35 degrees.
It is a tough pill to swallow and I had to after Toronto. Many people still ran PBs.
Gobi
ps. Sarah, I hope you make all the necessary adjustments you need and never have to go through what you did in Chicago ever again.
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Oct 2008
11:55am, 14 Oct 2008
22,554 posts
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Gobi
Hi Wiz
you ok now ?
G
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Oct 2008
11:57am, 14 Oct 2008
4,884 posts
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controversial
Thanks for your answers guys for the heat
So for the question, does pooring cups of water over yourself have a negative or positive effect, what is the general opinion.
My experience is that I did it in boston and chicago and seemed to have a negative impact as I wasn't really able to drink after and finish the race pretty badly. However in paris 2007 that was also hot i didn't do it and seemed to be a lot less affected by the heat. I am really starting to wonder if it is not a bad thing to do ...
Opinions?
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Oct 2008
11:59am, 14 Oct 2008
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Gobi
I poor water on my head but more often down my back. I find keeping my clothes wet keeps my body temp down more.
G
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Oct 2008
12:05pm, 14 Oct 2008
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Hi Gobi - I'm fine, only thing that's bruised now is my ego(!). As you say - lots of people (****rds) ran well out there, but only if they made the right adjustments. I did not. And got what I deserved! Physically, I'm actually feeling better than usual - hopefully a slower than race pace 2nd half will mean I recover quicker and can take the learnings on to another day.
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Oct 2008
12:10pm, 14 Oct 2008
368 posts
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Hi Gobi - I'm fine. Only thing that's bruised is my ego(!) and physically, apart from some blisters, legs actually feeling much better than usual. I'm hoping that the slower 2nd half will have saved my legs a bit and I'll recover quicker than usual for some good x-country and 10k action up to xmas.
Contro - I love the water over the head. It worked for me in London 07 and Berlin 06 both pretty hot. This was warmer, but my problem was misjudging my pace in the conditions rather than hydration per se.
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Oct 2008
12:11pm, 14 Oct 2008
369 posts
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Ah hah - there is the missing mystery post. Wondered where it had gone too!
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Oct 2008
12:11pm, 14 Oct 2008
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Sweaty Frank
I agree with Gob, but I put even greater emphasis to acclimatization. Nothing substitutes for coming into a hot race having run lots of miles in high temperatures and high humidity. In my experience, it takes at least 2-3 weeks to adjust to hot weather. I have been training and racing in very hot weather all summer, including a 50 k in 32 degrees C. I believe that is why the temperatures in Chicago didn't affect me much. Sure, you have to drink sufficiently, and you have to replace the salts and electrolytes, but even doing that conscientiously, if you are not acclimatized, the heat will make it difficult to keep your target pace.
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