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The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread

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Mar 2018
8:57am, 30 Mar 2018
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Bazoaxe
Quite sad to see all these withdrawals, especially (London and elsewhere) as many of those have been here chasing sub 3:15 then sub 3 for as long as I have.

In many ways I count myself lucky that I have managed to string together quite a consistent set of marathons without YET hitting my target and within that time being apart from one lengthy spell without any major injury.

10 miles before work yay - good work undone with the refuelling breakfast (double decker :-O) roll. But hey I enjoyed it and after all I started running so that I didn't have to worry about what I eat.

Lou, hope to see you out on course. We are staying near limehouse this year. If you could maybe hang about there, its about 4 miles to go, maybe 5 and just pace me home.
Mar 2018
9:25am, 30 Mar 2018
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paul the builder
Cam - I noted you weren't on the sidebar, so I fixed that :-).

I was thinking yesterday about the number of withdrawals this year, especially from some of the more 'vintage' folk on here (time served on thread, rather than age. Although in some cases both ;-)).
Mar 2018
9:41am, 30 Mar 2018
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Bazoaxe
I see BR is still on the sidebar for VLM but we haven't heard much of him of late, will need to go stalk his training.

I was also wondering about some of the people who were here when I started and what they are doing now. Runamok, IainM, RichyC were 3 who came to mind but also others if I dig into the depths of my memory. Oh and XT2/Chi Runner.
Mar 2018
12:31pm, 30 Mar 2018
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larkim
Sometimes it pays to use a little common sense. I wish I had some.

Did the 10 miles with 5x1k last night about 8pm, then had a biscuit and a bottle of Beck's blue as my sophisticated recovery nutrition.

Then had a 12 mile MLR scheduled today and the weather looked best in the morning.

It therefore should have come as no surprise that off a morning glass of water and a single hobnob that my legs would complain about being asked to do this 12 hours after finishing the intervals.

It's no doubt done more good than harm, and the last 8 miles felt like the last 3 of a 20 miler, but did reinforce the logic that muscles need a bit of refueling!!

Still, got it done and into highest monthly mileage territory which is nice.
Mar 2018
12:41pm, 30 Mar 2018
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Bazoaxe
larkim, I know I am a few years older than you but I am increasingly finding (with age I presume) that any running within 12 hrs of an effort session is very very difficult

Most of my midweek effort runs are done after work as part of a cycle in/run home then run in/cycle home approach. The run to work the morning after my effort runs is no more than 5 miles and around about 10mm pace and often feels pretty tough.

I did that same approach wed/thu this week, but with 24 hrs rest between thu and fri morning I managed just over 10 miles to work this morning on only a glass of orange juice.

If I look back to last week though I did 11 miles including parkrun on Saturday morning then 22 miles on Sunday morning and that felt OK

Its amazing the difference when the legs have a chance to recover
Mar 2018
12:43pm, 30 Mar 2018
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Curly45
Sorry to hear about Lou and Fergus. I will be spectating somewhere fairly early on and then at mile 25. I usually get the train from Lewisham to Charing Cross and then walk up Whitehall as the fastest way.

Maidenhead Easter 10 for me this morning. PB! 3:15 pb in fact for 66:45ish. Met up with Chunkywizard at the start and we ran together for the first few miles but I lost him in a gap somewhere and ran on alone. then bumped into a Dachett Dasher friend but lost him somewhere too. Felt good until 8 miles then there is a hill/bridge that put me off my stride a bit. Got a stitch a 9.5 (arghhh) so no sprint finish today, but overall fairly pleased with the run as its exactly what I thought I could do. I think fully rested/not worrying about heel I could probably go a bit quicker (the 15 mins extra waiting at the start didnt help as I got freezing cold).

Massage tomorrow to start the taper proper. Still closed this week on 70+ miles with a big day missed so thats fairly pleasing.
Mar 2018
1:06pm, 30 Mar 2018
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larkim
Yep, I'm sure age is a factor too. I forget I'm nearer 50 than 40.

Tidy PB curly. Deep in training that's an impressive effort.
SPR
Mar 2018
1:17pm, 30 Mar 2018
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SPR
Nice work Curly.

Larkim - (Pretty much) No food between two runs is not wise regardless of age TBH. It's not just getting miles in that improves you as a runner, nutrition and sleep are also important.

The other things is if the MLR is one of your harder sessions, I'd expect your plan wouldn't put it the day after intervals? Or was it just hard because of the no food plus moving to the morning?
Mar 2018
1:59pm, 30 Mar 2018
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FergusG
Curly45 - Crossed wires methinks. I was asking after Lou, but I'm still running! Well done on bagging a PB this morning.
Mar 2018
2:00pm, 30 Mar 2018
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larkim
Normally a mlr wouldn't faze me, but yes P&D puts the intervals on the day before the MLR so this wasnt just me shortening rest periods, it we definitely the nutrition that was the issue. I've got quite comfortable with early medium and proper long runs off no breakfast (or a banana max), it was the unthinking that there wasn't a meal between the two runs that was nearly my undoing and lesson learned!

Having said all that, whilst the legs felt tired the HR was good and the pace was fine. But I did make it harder than it needed to be, turned it into more of a JD style 22 miler with a 12 hour gap in the middle.

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