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larkim
larkim
4 Nov
11:36am, 4 Nov 2024
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larkim
It's obviously a fundamental issue with the US system that it does not foster a broader base of opinions and policies for the potential leadership role. For whatever reasons it internally justifies, the US foreign policy in various places is primarily in place to suit its own interests, and does not at its heart have the interests of others as a top priority.

Arguably, the same is true for many other nations too.

Whether that evaluation is correct or not, individuals may well have differing opinions on.

But when faced with a current day choice of two realistic options only, the less of two evils remains the rational choice. Especially 48 hours before the polls close.
SPR
SPR
4 Nov
11:58am, 4 Nov 2024
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SPR
Yes it does in each individual election, but when people have been making that same choice all their lives to be ignored in between they're going to look elsewhere at some point and a third choice would be their only real option of change and the only way a third choice will ever get attention is if people vote for them encouraging more to vote for them in the future.

Anyway I note that the greens had proposed a ranked choice that would allow people to rank preferences but I imagine there's less chance of that happening in the States than here.

theguardian.com

I'm not actually sure the US Greens are a good option even if they had popular support and I note AOC accuses them in the article of doing what I've talked about here (turning up every 4 years but doing nothing in between) but I can understand why people would look for something different.
Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
4 Nov
12:03pm, 4 Nov 2024
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Johnny Blaze
AOC has some rather choice words on people choosing neutrality at the moment.
Fields
Fields
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12:28pm, 4 Nov 2024
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Fields
JB wants you to take a kick in the shins whilst hearing a torturous middle earth metaphor as opposed to a kick in the face

Doesn’t believe anyone should go for the no kicking option.
Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
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Johnny Blaze
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was the primary House sponsor of the Green New Deal, a nonbinding resolution that set out a broad vision for significantly reducing planet-warming pollution by 2030 while also guaranteeing millions of new jobs. She said low-income workers were often ignored in the climate discussion.
Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
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12:42pm, 4 Nov 2024
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Johnny Blaze
I don't accept the framing that this is a "lesser of two evils" choice, like its a 51/49 thing. There is a chasm of difference between Trump and the GOP and the alternative. Pick a fricking side for God's sake.
SPR
SPR
4 Nov
12:47pm, 4 Nov 2024
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SPR
They are picking Stein. The issue is why Trump is even at worst a second choice.

Clearly a system where people are going to be chastised for picking the option they actually want is broken and those with the power to fix it should do so but they won't because they can make this same argument to a lesser/ greater extent every election.
paulcook
paulcook
4 Nov
12:53pm, 4 Nov 2024
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SPR wrote:... and those with the power to fix it should do so but they won't because they can make this same argument to a lesser/ greater extent every election.


Sounds familiar !!
larkim
larkim
4 Nov
12:53pm, 4 Nov 2024
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larkim
It is a lesser of two evils if you start from the perspective of someone like Fields who holds consistent views about the behaviour of the US in relation to its foreign policy. If US foreign policy is fundamentally "wrong" or "evil", and both of the candidates expect to maintain that position with very little change in a positive direction, then it is fair to characterise them as lesser of two evils.

There are other issues that the US presidency will deal with on which I'd like to think even Fields agrees that Harris is leagues apart in relation to; abortion, migrants, democratic rights, healthcare, etc etc. But if those aren't your over-riding concern, then I can see how neither are good options.
Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
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1:02pm, 4 Nov 2024
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Johnny Blaze
I'm sure those arguments will be a useful comfort blanket when darkness descends because people of good conscience put burnishing their progressive credentials before voting to maintain a constitutional democracy.

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