Jun 2022
1:33pm, 7 Jun 2022
1,974 posts
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Ally-C
I think the leadership contenders will start mobilising now. He's a bucket of chum and the sharks have smelt blood. Is there an extra h in there? |
Jun 2022
1:35pm, 7 Jun 2022
22,008 posts
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DeeGee
Lee Anderson's one who'll be gone next time round, he needs to big-up Boris to keep suckling from the teat. Ashfield's a bit of a fruitloop constituency though, there's a bunch of militant localists, the leader of which hoovered up a mass of the vote last time round. He's one of those lovely pull-up-the-ladder types of Brexit special. |
Jun 2022
1:36pm, 7 Jun 2022
1,201 posts
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paulcook
It's like a new brand of politics Dave A. Both that and JRM's approach as noted above and a complete refusal to admit any mistakes, apologise for anything or shown any restraint, remorse, etc. I certainly can't remember it before, or at least not as prevalent. And probably why our politics, particularly on social media, has become some partisan. The cult of [insert politician's name here] can do no wrong. |
Jun 2022
1:42pm, 7 Jun 2022
18,027 posts
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larkim
Spin is spin, I can't fault the allies of Johnson too much for that; you're never going to get someone like JRM take a balanced, nuanced view of something like a confidence vote. All parties do it, partly because enough people actually take notice of individuals and use it in their own personal echo chamber. That said, there is some impressive hubris coming out. Such as this from Zahawi "That was a ballot, the prime minister won handsomely,” he said. “It’s a ballot. 50 plus one is a majority. Boris did much better than that. Or James Cleverly's talk of a "third mandate". Plenty more nonsense on here; politicians being politicans. theguardian.com |
Jun 2022
1:47pm, 7 Jun 2022
9,479 posts
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simbil
Refute all criticism, misdirect and go on the attack. It's maybe the only playbook when the reality of the situation is against you. If there was a bit more harmony in the country, it wouldn't work. But with all the division, people seem to care less about reality and more about their side 'winning'. |
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Jun 2022
1:50pm, 7 Jun 2022
1,202 posts
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paulcook
Intriguing quote from Cleverly here mind. “It was a comfortable win. A clear win,” he told Reuters, before unfortunately highlighting how deeply split the Tory party is by adding: “If there are any other candidate who thinks they are going to get 60% of the parliamentary party rallying around them, good luck with that.” Hardly a ringing endorsement to the depth of ahem, quality, in the party at the moment. It's like Johnson has carefully positioned himself to be the least worst option. |
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Jun 2022
1:51pm, 7 Jun 2022
1,203 posts
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paulcook
Refute all criticism, misdirect and go on the attack. It's maybe the only playbook when the reality of the situation is against you. If there was a bit more harmony in the country, it wouldn't work. But with all the division, people seem to care less about reality and more about their side 'winning'. That makes a huge amount of sense. And also echoes the post I initially referred to comparing it to Trump politics, again another hugely divided politic country. |
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Jun 2022
1:54pm, 7 Jun 2022
18,028 posts
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larkim
Yes, Cleverly may well be right in a sense, but he's comparing a FPTP election amongst candidates with a single issue vote on Johnson. But it's all just spin. If Johnson goes and only 1 contender stands unopposed, if there was a vote you can bet your house that that one candidate would get 90%+ in the (meaningless and won't happen) poll as the Tories generally love nothing more than unity. That's why this is so bad for Johnson. A big majority of his backbenchers have no confidence in him and are brave enough to say so out loud and in private. |
Jun 2022
2:03pm, 7 Jun 2022
7,570 posts
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Dave W
Despite his name, Cleverly is as thick as pigshit.
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Jun 2022
2:05pm, 7 Jun 2022
1,204 posts
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paulcook
And with a constituency to match.
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