Oct 2015
5:45pm, 16 Oct 2015
222 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
"Better rounded human beings come out of schools when they have had experience of mixing across cultural, ethnic, intellectual, wealth / poverty, etc divides. " I went to a grammar school in Aston, Birmingham. The school drew in kids from about a 10 mile radius. Some of the kids lived just down the road and some (like myself) lived miles away. My daughter goes to a comprehensive primary school. The catchment area is less than 1 mile radius. There's no chance that you can get into the school if you live outside of the catchment area (unless you qualify for the sibling rule) due to demand from within the catchment area. In my school there were kids from every ethnicity. The wealth of the parents was not a factor in deciding who went to the school. I qualified for free school meals (although I actually took sandwiches instead), the kids from the local area where generally very poor. Some kids at the school were well off. Some very well off. At the other (comprehensive) schools in Aston the majority of pupils were from disadvantaged backgrounds and just attended their local school. They were predominantly Asian with almost no white kids at all. At my daughters comprehensive school 99% of the kids are white. All of the parents are in a fairly similar financial position (I guess) as to attend the school you are forced to live within a very small area where the house prices are similar. The argument that comprehensive schools are diverse and that grammar schools are for posh, rich white kids is actually complete bollocks. I would argue that converting more inner city schools to grammar schools would offer a huge opportunity to disadvantaged kids. |
Oct 2015
5:45pm, 16 Oct 2015
5,266 posts
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Too Much Water
Seems for a lot of people the way to achieve equality is to eliminate choice.
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Oct 2015
6:05pm, 16 Oct 2015
5,403 posts
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Jambomo
Really? I would have thought that by determining where a child goes to school based on a child's ability in maths and English between 9-11, offered nobody a choice at all.
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Oct 2015
6:18pm, 16 Oct 2015
427 posts
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Tonybv9
Applauds narrow minded quote of the day. Bravo. Narrow minded? Realistic more like. As a driving instructor working in the Catford area of London - read "deprived", I noticed that the young girls I taught nearly all had children - no partners. Why? Is lack of sex education really the issue? No, it's lack of ambition. I've heard teachers talking about when the news gets out that young Shanice is pregnant, the boy responsible is high-fiving his mates outside school. Working with teens was a real eye-opener. There is a whole strata out there whose only ambition is to get a flat and have enough money to rub along through life, with a bit left over to buy some drugs once in a while. Why? Because they can't see what's beyond that. The kid who told me that was the lad who went from leftie to Tory overnight. The turning point was when he got his first wage slip, and saw the deductions column. "Fucking hell! All my mates who doss around all day and claim Jobseekers...I'm paying for them." I couldn't stop smiling. |
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Oct 2015
6:20pm, 16 Oct 2015
428 posts
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Tonybv9
A lot of potential is clearly visible at age 9/10. There will be late developers, but talent shines through.
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Oct 2015
6:41pm, 16 Oct 2015
666 posts
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Cheg
Go to comprehensive, go to grammar. Get rid of grammars, go comprehensive, choice of 1. Grammar schools aren't compulsory.
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Oct 2015
6:45pm, 16 Oct 2015
429 posts
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Tonybv9
Oh yes, I forgot. The only young girls I taught who didn't have a baby at home were the Asian ones. Do they have a better sex education than the white or afro-carribean kids? I doubt it. PS: Also the girls who went to the aforementioned ex-grammar school, that my daughter now attends. |
Oct 2015
6:59pm, 16 Oct 2015
22,626 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Working class people would do themselves a big favour by valuing intellectual achievement more and cultural programming less.
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Oct 2015
7:25pm, 16 Oct 2015
7,661 posts
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Joopsy
Sweeping generalisations do not make statements realistic.
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Oct 2015
7:37pm, 16 Oct 2015
430 posts
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Tonybv9
What does talking from personal experience count as? Britain is at No.4 in the EU teen birthrate list. Why? ons.gov.uk |
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