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May 2024
4:12pm, 3 May 2024
17,853 posts
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Garfield
Yes, there is a fine balance with that, but on the other hand you don't want to short change yourself.
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May 2024
2:57pm, 7 May 2024
7,432 posts
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Blister
Thanks for all your replies 
Garfield, that article was useful. DaveG, that's some really good advice thank you.
I had to get back with something, so I sent him this breakdown (within a longer email):
- Planning the route; finding a good location, measuring some potential routes on the map, visiting the location and testing the route out by running it, and finally planning which day and time of the day to film it based on the weather and other factors like how busy it will be. This can vary, but usually I spend around 3-4 hours doing this (not including travel time).
- Travelling to the location. I try to film most of my runs within a 20-60 minute drive of my house. So, travelling time (there and back) can range from 40 minutes to 2 hours and I might do this twice if I try the route out before. There is also the cost of fuel and potentially parking.
Time spent filming the run. This is slightly longer than it takes to just run the route. I often have to stop to catch my breath to ensure I'm not breathing too heavily in the video, or to give my arm a quick break, or to change the battery. So if I video is say 45 minutes long, it probably took me over an hour to film. This part is physically exhausting because I have to complete the entire run holding around 1 kilo (gimbal + camera) in my hand while trying to breathe as quietly as I can - it's especially hard on hilly runs!
- Editing the video. So my steps are to download the raw files, add them to my video editing software, colour grade and edit the footage. I trim and stitch when editing, so trim away unwanted sections of video and stitch separate clips together. For example, when filming and I get to a gate I run straight to it, climb over and then carry on from the other side, and then when editing I cut out the climbing section and use a dissolve transition to blend the two clips together. I also take small clips and add them to the start as a preview. Once I've finished editing, because they are 4K and usually 30-60 minutes it can take the best part of a day to render. The rendered MP4 can range from something like 15gb to 30gb. The cost with rendering is electricity. I spend around 1-2 hours editing the video. But that, plus around 5 hours of rendering is something like 6-7 hours of high CPU electricity usage.
It seems like I will also need to edit most of the videos to remove any previews from the start and in some cases camera pans. If I exclude rendering time/cost, we're looking at about an hour to make those edits.
In the UK, filmmakers charge around £40 up to £250 (in agencies) per hour for their work. If I took the hours I spend creating a single video, which is approximately 8-10 and multiply that by £40, it works out as £320 - £400 (not including fuel/parking/electricity costs) or about €373 - €467 if I convert to euros.
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May 2024
9:48am, 8 May 2024
7,433 posts
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Blister
So I had this response from him this morning:
"I’m a film maker from 2011 myself, so no extra edit, thumbnails or anything else needed, just graphic addons free material.
Great you had success with google and super bowl, but it’s unmatchable in any scale with any of them compared to us or our need of use. Our contractor factories are based in China and they have other clients, we just don’t have a middle man between us (sellers) and manufacturer.
We do not ask anything new to film for us, just suggest you to monetize once again them, as you already done everything and they just sitting around.
So far best deal I have 60 videos in 4K for 1500eur."
Google is referring to earlier this year when they were interested in using one of my videos for the Pixel 8 superbowl commercial - they didn't use it in the end but would have paid me $2000 if they did!
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May 2024
9:49am, 8 May 2024
7,434 posts
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Blister
I'm tempted to respond and say I can offer him the same deal... what do you think?
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May 2024
10:03am, 8 May 2024
7,491 posts
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bigleggy
Planning 3 hours
Driving 1 hour
Filming 1 hours
Editing 2 hours
For £25 works out at about £3.50 an hour - that won't cover the costs of travel and parking at location and electricity for rendering.
He's lowballed you - Your lowest offer was £320 , so go down from there but not straight to less than minimum wage !
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May 2024
10:18am, 8 May 2024
7,435 posts
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Blister
Yeah I agree... but on the other hand, I feel like they won't be willing to pay more... they are just looking to source everything as cheaply as they can, which he has already said in an email. So my thinking is if I offer that price, it's a stepping to to approaching other treadmill manufacturers say in the UK, US, etc and offering my videos, but for a higher price.
He is right, I've already done all the work and published them on YouTube, they are free to access by anyone already.
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May 2024
10:33am, 8 May 2024
7,494 posts
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bigleggy
Hmmmm , just because the work had already been done doesn't make it worth less. Also, while it's on youtube it's not likely to be at the quality they are after.
If you do accept their price, I would advise reading the contract very carefully if you plan on selling the videos elsewhere. Make sure you are free to do that and not exclusive to them.
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May 2024
11:50am, 8 May 2024
7,436 posts
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Blister
I think they want me to put together a contract/license.
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