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D.H.
D.H.
Oct 2016
12:05am, 30 Oct 2016
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D.H.
Hello I've been lurking around here for awhile and have gotten really great tips on training. I have a question that has probably already been answered but I'm to lazyto look. I have started training with a friend his heart rate is way off from mine since he is brand new to this. Today we ran 12 miles at his zone 1 which put mine below my zone 1. Not by much 5 or 6 beats below low end. Will I still benefit or should I find another time to train. Thanks in advance
Goofee
Goofee
Oct 2016
6:51am, 30 Oct 2016
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Goofee
Welcome to fetch DH.

I am by no means an expert but I believe you will be deriving some benefit no matter how slowly you travel, it may also be a good chance for you to think about maintaining form correctly for an extended period.
D.H.
D.H.
Oct 2016
9:18am, 30 Oct 2016
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D.H.
That"s what I was hoping to hear but wasn't sure. I always need form work so that will be a new focus!
steeplechaser
steeplechaser
Oct 2016
12:13pm, 30 Oct 2016
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steeplechaser
Carbon depletion....I took this as carb depletion.

Should I take more gels ( I took gels every 4 miles on the marathon including one at the start)or do I need to carb load before race, or do I just need to up my training mileage (I've been averaging 25 -30 miles per week).

Anyone know How I unlock my data?
SPR
SPR
Oct 2016
12:22pm, 30 Oct 2016
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SPR
I think it is configure my log at the bottom of your training log, then share settings.
Dvorak
Dvorak
Oct 2016
12:29pm, 30 Oct 2016
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Dvorak
If we take Zone 1 as sub 70% WHR (say a band of around 10bpm so 63-70%) then you are working at around 58-59% WHR. That's pretty easy going but fine, some people here (not me!) will be doing runs at that or even less. The 70% is a limit not a target so the easy runs would be 66-68% average anyway, to allow for some in-run variability.

This made me think about whether there is a drop-off/ step change in benefit somewhere along the way. Eg if I have a brisk walk my AWHR may be 45-50%, peaking at 60% up a hill. Someone (I think in a blog) was reporting that their easy run/ brisk walk HRs were much the same. I don't think that the walk has quite as much aerobic benefit as a run (though it can feel harder :-o); I think there is a gradient between them (and maybe not that steep a one) and a drop off occurs somewhere between gentle stroll and briskish walk.

Thoughts, anyone?
steeplechaser
steeplechaser
Oct 2016
12:34pm, 30 Oct 2016
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steeplechaser
http://www.fetcheveryone.com/training-log-view.php?id=13084214

I've changed my settings, can you see log now?

Thanks
SPR
SPR
Oct 2016
1:49pm, 30 Oct 2016
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SPR
Legs knackered because you haven't done enough training to run 26.2 miles fast all the way. Not a fueling before or during run issue, more a training to ensure body is up to the job issue. Your heart could cope so wasn't stressed hence HR drop.
Ninky Nonk
Ninky Nonk
Oct 2016
2:36pm, 30 Oct 2016
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Ninky Nonk
Dvorak, it depends on what are trying to achieve.

If the aim is recovery - then I reckon the runs can be as slow as necessary to help recovery.

If the aim is aerobic development then typically a good volume around zone 1/2 seems popular. The basis being continuous runs in this area provoke maximal aerobic development. You can go faster/harder but you get no more benefit than working at the lower speeds/hr. This was demonstrated by some experimental evidence using rats I believe.

Of course, there are useful training effects from all the zones and subtle combinations of intensity, duration and recoveries can be used to cause similar training effects to longer periods in a single zone.
Dillthedog57
Dillthedog57
Oct 2016
3:13pm, 30 Oct 2016
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Dillthedog57
Steeplechaser- quick observation is that you don't have a huge amount of training miles, so a 3:12 is pretty remarkable! I would usually say up your miles, but you appear to be bucking the trend anyway in that respect and obviously doing something right. I'd be tempted to say you are out performing given the volume of training you have done.

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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