Gareth Southgate: yes or no?

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paulcook 16 Jul 12:20pm, 16 Jul 2024 5,896 posts	0 paulcook Fat Dave wrote:bbc.co.uk The ball is round. England's win percentage is generally about 60%. Same under Hodgson, Capello, Eriksson, Hoddle, Greenwood. Imagine having a weighted coin. You win most coin tosses. But not all of them. But if you can win four in a row, you're World Champion. There's no magic to it. You just have to keep being there or thereabouts and in the end you get there. Weirdly, the managers we remember as being great – Venables, Robson, etc. – have much lower win rates than average, at the same level as Graham Taylor and Steve McLaren. In short: knighthood for Southgate. It's not about win percentages, not about egos, not about reputations. International football is simple. About getting through and hopefully winning trophies. Robson's record in some respects is overexaggerated, and he got a bit lucky, but he got to a semi-final. Since Ramsey, he's in exulted company to do that. And Robson deserves that praise.
paulcook 16 Jul 12:25pm, 16 Jul 2024 5,897 posts	0 paulcook Rooney apparently drawing up his CV. I almost hope he gets it and is successful as he was at Brum.
Bazoaxe 16 Jul 12:31pm, 16 Jul 2024 27,082 posts	0 Bazoaxe It was inevitable that Southgate was leaving, whatever the outcome of the Euros. The reaction early in the tournament nailed that. ironically Southgate remains the best (English) man for the job.
TROSaracen 16 Jul 12:41pm, 16 Jul 2024 28,063 posts	0 TROSaracen Robson was definitely overrated. Same tenure as Southgate - 2 Euros, 2 WCs. 1984 Euros - DNQ for tournament. Basically Robson talked up our main group rivals Denmark and we cowered in front of them losing 0-1 at home in the decisive group fixture. 1986 WC - indescribably awful for two group games until Wilkins red card forced a change that led us to the Qtrs. Did not play at all in the Qtrs until 2-0 down. 1988 Euros - rated as one of the favourites but we lost all 3 games. 1990 - great squad, great tournament, certainly rode our luck (outplayed by Belgium, Cameroon escape). Great effort in the semi but undone by Robson’s view ‘not worth much practising - you can’t replicate the pressure’ for the shootout.
paulcook 16 Jul 12:42pm, 16 Jul 2024 5,899 posts	0 paulcook Yep. If it came down to it, my first choice would be Southgate.
Nellers 16 Jul 12:44pm, 16 Jul 2024 43,322 posts	0 Nellers
TROSaracen 16 Jul 12:45pm, 16 Jul 2024 28,064 posts	0 TROSaracen Bazo voting Rooney???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fat Dave 16 Jul 12:48pm, 16 Jul 2024 15,628 posts	0 Fat Dave Jeeezus this list shows how slim the pickings are.
Nellers 16 Jul 12:51pm, 16 Jul 2024 43,323 posts	0 Nellers Have I missed anyone though, Dave?
Fat Dave 16 Jul 12:53pm, 16 Jul 2024 15,629 posts	0 Fat Dave I'd take Poch over most of these options, tbf. To be honest, I'd take bloody Mourinho over Gerrard, Rooney, or Lampard.

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Here’s your chance to be wise before the event.

Instead of England winning / losing in a glorious semi final defeat and afterwards everyone saying, “Told you he was the right man for the job”, or being embarrassingly knocked out of the group stage / losing timidly in the QF and afterwards everyone saying, “Told you he wasn't the right man for the job”, here’s your chance to be wise before the event and put on record whether you think Gareth Southgate is the right manager for...

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