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SPR
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I was more inclined to link it to training rather than Puma shoes specifically without further details.

The broader question of whether supershoes could make you more susceptible to stress injuries that @runnerbean seems to be asking is an interesting one though.
runnerbean
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Yes that’s what I meant. Or perhaps it’s just the amount of training most athletes do for marathons and beyond.

I know I’ve certainly read about injuries seemingly from the shoes.
larkim
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There's a school of thought that the supershoes, affordable to pro athletes as "daily runners" or at worst as speedwork shoes, may produce significant benefits in faster recovery for most, but that also the change in biomechanics that the shoes "impose" on runners who have moved to them *may* *in some runners* cause new injuries.

It feels to me a bit like the "I knew an enthusiastic runner who had knackered knees by the time he was 45, therefore running is bad for your knees" type observation. We ignore all the people who get injured whilst not wearing supershoes, and fixate on those who have newly become injured who also are wearing supershoes.

Before supershoes came along, "we" were getting injured by shoes that were too cushioned / too hard / too supportive / not supportive enough / causing over-pronation / not responding to pronation etc etc.

In reality, some people will pick up injuries because the shoes cause something for them. Whether the supershoes cause more injuries - I don't think we've seen that established yet, have we?
Velociraptor
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It would be interesting to know whether there's a cluster of stress fractures, particularly femoral stress fractures, or if the rate of stress fractures among elite marathon runners is such that two or three in the same training group at the same time is quite likely to happen by coincidence.
SPR
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I expect the hypothesis for stress injuries would be faster recovery for muscles etc but that means you can add more stress to bones via being able to do more/ run faster more often. Also I'm not sure the hypothesis would say more injuries just different injuries. Minimal shoe wearers get different injuries from high cushioned shoe wearers not less as I understand it.
SPR
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The above was in relation to supershoes as a follow on from what Larkim said.
jda
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I had thought femoral stress fracture sounded a bit weird and rare but a bit of googling suggests it isn't really (among runners).
Velociraptor
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Lower limb and pelvic stress fractures are not at all uncommon in runners due to overuse (which may be relative) and/or maintaining a very low weight. Having had one less than a year ago - just a fibula, which was quite bothersome enough - I can easily get my head round the narrative of several weeks of rationalising the symptoms away as something minor and selflimiting.
Oranj
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From personal experience I am fairly certain that stress reactions (AKA stress fractures) in my femurs were due to RED-S. Nothing to do with the shoes, just the concerns for power-to-weight and pressure to do the mileage that young athletes are under.

I know of another orienteer-turned-road runner (not M. Keith) who suffered the same once they fully committed to the road. The pressures to perform at any level are hard.
rf_fozzy
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