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fuzzyduck79
fuzzyduck79
Oct 2022
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I don’t think Coe is anything like the same as Diack but the Shobukhova story should at least show you that when there’s a positive test involving a big name in the sport, one of the first people to be informed is the head of the IAAF.

I’m not sure what Coe would do myself, but if you think he doesn’t at least weigh up the sports reputation first then I think you’re a bit wet behind the ears.

Announcing Kipchoge was dirty would cost the sport (and Nike) an obscene amount of money. There are reasons you might find to query the result, perhaps not follow protocol in quite the same manner as for a no name, if you are in Seb Coe’s shoes
SPR
SPR
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What happened with Shobukhova?

I'm sure he's informed, my question is, how could he take action that was wrong without massive collusion given there should be independence in the testing process?
fuzzyduck79
fuzzyduck79
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Shobukhova case mentioned among a raft of other mostly unnamed athletes here:

google.com

I don’t know if anti doping is independent. It’s chronically underfunded from what I have read of the good guys trying their hardest to fight the cheats.

The raft of bans in recent weeks from Kenya suggests to me that there’s a change of strategy somewhere, as I don’t think athlete behaviour has suddenly switched to more drug use.

People who train there undoubtedly know better about current situation, but a few years ago there was a GB athlete joking about how the drug testers in Kenya used to call ahead over there so everyone who needed to could go somewhere else before they arrived. It was well known about, to get caught in Kenya you needed to be incredibly stupid.
SPR
SPR
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9:44pm, 23 Oct 2022
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Was that due to the local doping enforcement though? I think Kenya might have more global body enforcement than local recently but I may be wrong and misremembering stuff I read in the past.
fuzzyduck79
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That’s beyond my knowledge. I did know someone who went to train there a few years ago. He was an Olympian and said they were all at it, literally no Kenyan distance runners were clean from what he was seeing.

His own marathon time suddenly improved by quite a chunk a year or so after that and then he disappeared completely, stopped racing without any reason I could tell.
SPR
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I remember Kiprop had a bizarre defence that suggested some local stuff going on.
fuzzyduck79
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Yes Kiprop mentioned being given advance notice of drug testers coming, and paying one of them off after his test:

cbc.ca

Apparently enraged that his b samples still came back positive when he’d sent the money.
larkim
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I'm not just wet, I'm soaking behind my ears ;-)
Grast_girl
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I knew a few people who did testing for the London Olympics, from what they were saying, I think the main chilling effect is that some people commit suicide after testing positive. They really hated reporting a positive result. It did mean every positive result was checked before it went out though.
runnerbean
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New York marathon on Eurosport 2 tomorrow live at 1.30pm

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