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Feb 2013
11:10pm, 27 Feb 2013
515 posts
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Canute
Long runs at moderate pace produce an effective training stimulus, but create a risk that the stress on your body might decrease the effectiveness of training during the following week. I think that if you run the marathons easily enough that will be OK. The acceptable percent of HRmax depends on the individual, and in particular, depends on how efficient you are at metabolising fat, but for someone with your level of running experience, 70% is probably OK.
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Feb 2013
11:17pm, 27 Feb 2013
18,042 posts
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SPR
Canute - you misunderstand Gobi, he is saying that most lack the discipline needed to multi-marathon while training for a target event. Boot it means run fast.
BTW Paul a was the one saying 100 clubber are select group. I was saying the Everest comparison needed context.
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Feb 2013
11:41pm, 27 Feb 2013
517 posts
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Canute
SPR, thanks for the clarifications. I am in full agreement about needing the discipline to 'not boot it'
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Feb 2013
4:41am, 28 Feb 2013
50,479 posts
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Gobi
Nice job SPR, morning Canute
I never wanted 100 marathons/ultras. I got to about 60 something purely by training for the 100km races that I did.
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Feb 2013
7:52am, 28 Feb 2013
14,107 posts
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hellen
Dg I would have thought you need to be on way more than 50 miles a week for sub 3.
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Feb 2013
8:25am, 28 Feb 2013
13,756 posts
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DeeGee
I can accept that Hellen. I realise that sub-3 will require a significantly improved commitment to running training (and I can get an extra 30 miles a week by taking the commute off wheels for the other three days a week). It's whether I'm willing to go back to two marathons a year for the foreseeable future. I'm trying to find out exactly what is involved before deciding whether to chase it or not.
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Feb 2013
8:41am, 28 Feb 2013
1,580 posts
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Curly45
Be VERY careful adding more miles ... my coach works on about 5 miles a year on the weekly average. I push that with him to about 10, but for the single marathon approach you get a lot of benefit from consistent consistency and a persiodised year. You do not need to add 30 miles a week to make sub 3 if you are running sub 3:15 already imo (unless you have been running for 10 years or so and been training consistently all that time).
To really get the most out of a transition to single target race you would need to get quite technical about training and have a long lead in, does your club have anyone who is a qualified coach you can talk too, possibly run through 3-6 month meso cycles with and get them to comment on your plans?
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Feb 2013
8:47am, 28 Feb 2013
50,484 posts
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Gobi
You can run sub 3 on talent and 50 miles a week if as curly says it is done right
I think Jock Itch runs 2.40 ish off a peak of 70 but mostly running 50 - 60 miles
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Feb 2013
9:28am, 28 Feb 2013
14,108 posts
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hellen
curly I would agree with you that someone on 3.15 could get to sub 3 with more focussed training and still similar miles but DG is on 3.26
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Feb 2013
9:34am, 28 Feb 2013
19,345 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I felt I had to make quite a big change to get me from my 3:12 - 3:03 range to try to get to 2:5x. I've gone up from ave of 50-60 miles to over 70 miles per week, for this tilt at sub 3. It was either that or do more track work and I'm not crazy about track (for a number of reasons).
However, it might be that one can get decent improvement in time without a big change in training, but I don't see how. If you do the same, you get the same, so I always think you need to do something different.
By the way, I am actually hoping/expecting to move to multi-marathons (and ultras) after I've achieved my marathon time goal. There are so many great events out there (we're particularly lucky in Scotland with lots of scenic, off road marathons, distance trail races (25- 20 miles) and fantastic ultras.) But I don't expect to be able to target times any more, while doing that. It will be for fun, scenery, social, tourism and cayke  ! :-)G
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