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Rosehip Jan 2014 1:29pm, 20 Jan 2014 2,723 posts	0 Rosehip Maybe a couple of new to you paths on this loop ? http://www.fetcheveryone.com/routes-view.php?id=1666867
Frobester Jan 2014 1:39pm, 20 Jan 2014 24,666 posts	0 Frobester I like the look of that one. Might even have a go this weekend!
HappyG(rrr) Jan 2014 2:13pm, 20 Jan 2014 21,668 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Is anyone looking to move on from complete beginner ultra training, to... something else? I only ask because the plans on the ultramarathonrunning.com site are mostly for complete beginners starting as little as 10 miles or so. I've done 3 ultras now and can fit in 50-60 miles per week, so I'm looking to "optimise" my training. The ultra marathons thread, with it's 100, 150 and 200 mile plus ultras is def beyone me though! So, somewhere in between? Is any kind of speedwork recommended? Are back to backs best every weekend, or just some weekends? How many shorter events can/should you do as training (e.g. marathons, 30 milers etc. for a 50 mile ultra)? Just looking for tips really. I've understood the basics I think of time on feet, mostly slow, build mileage up gradually etc. Thanks, :-)G
jacdaw Jan 2014 2:32pm, 20 Jan 2014 548 posts	0 jacdaw Relentless Forward Progress by Bryon Powell (from irunfar.com) has plans based on 50 and 70 mpw, and a discussion of speedwork. I think the book got mixed reviews, but I quite like it, and it was quite cheap for Kindle when I bought it. amazon.co.uk
ogee Jan 2014 2:46pm, 20 Jan 2014 20,083 posts	0 ogee Relentless forward progress is a great book. Speedwork is very under rated & is something I'll be concentrating on a lot more this year. Very fast 10milers could be your key G, I'm going to incorporate at least one session a week where it'll be a balls out 10miles. Its a long enough distance to help aid your Ultra work as well. Back to backs on a weekend can help as well, depends on your target distance of course. My back to backs for Sparta were 30miles in 4.5hrs on Saturdays then the same on Sundays. Will be aiming to achieve this again shortly but will be targeting 4hrs then 4.5hrs.
Frobester Jan 2014 2:46pm, 20 Jan 2014 24,673 posts	0 Frobester On that theme, I do think someone needs to look at what we call anything beyond 26.2. I mean, an ultramarathon could be anything from 30 miles to, say, a million miles (or, in the case of the Piece of String, any miles). Perhaps everything from 30 to 100 could be called a Megamarathon or a Supermarathon, and anything beyond that be called an Ultra, or SuperDooper, or something.
HappyG(rrr) Jan 2014 2:54pm, 20 Jan 2014 21,669 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) I like the idea of running SooperDoopers Frobes! THanks guys, some good suggestions. Ogee (some ultra coaching between your ultra racing?!) - fast 10 milers sounds like a tough session. Fast as in about MP, not HMP, presumably? :-)G
ogee Jan 2014 2:56pm, 20 Jan 2014 20,084 posts	0 ogee I think Ultra covers it ok for now.
ogee Jan 2014 3:05pm, 20 Jan 2014 20,085 posts	0 ogee Fast as in fast G, I don't use a hrm. I quite like percieved effort, I know when I'm pushing it hard, I don't need a monitor to tell me if I am. Just get a good watch, GPS or stopwatch & plot a good route. One session a week on it to see if you are improving. I am no coach though, so am only saying what works for me. Gobi, is a good chap to chat to on here. He is a demanding bugger though, but with his racing background you can see why.
DerbyTup Jan 2014 3:09pm, 20 Jan 2014 9,087 posts	0 DerbyTup Up to 20 miles is short, 26.2 miles is a marathon, anything above is normal