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Jul 2022
2:35pm, 12 Jul 2022
20,654 posts
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flanker
Always the cold for me too. If I'm moving the cold has to be be sub-zero to bother me. Cold and wet is more of a problem. But in either case if you're properly prepared you can add more layers. There's a limit to how much you can take off, and given I tend to be in shorts and t-shirt in anything into double figures, I'm usually already close to it!
On the weekend's LT100k I was dipping hat and buff into any beck or puddle from about 4am, and by 9am I was dipping my self in. I was almost swimming in Grizedale Tarn I was that far in.
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Jul 2022
2:53pm, 12 Jul 2022
42,915 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I've seen very well prepared and experienced ultra runners here in Scotland (in mid summer) be borderline hypothermic and have to DNF or seriously impaired their races. I wouldn't under estimate the effect of cold too.
I haven't ever had to run in extreme heat. 25C doesn't bother me (poss the opposite of flanker) and just used water, light clothing, cool drinks etc. and got on fine. Club mate of mine did Death Valley ultra (is it Badwater?) 100F plus and you have to wear full body white reflective clothing and ice baths at aid stations etc. Don't fancy that much!  G
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Jul 2022
4:00pm, 12 Jul 2022
20,657 posts
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flanker
I'd argue that if they allowed themselves to get that cold they weren't well prepared or adequately experienced. All those outcomes are preventable by carrying/using appropriate kit at the appropriate time.
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Jul 2022
4:05pm, 12 Jul 2022
42,919 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
One was a Fetchie. I'll pass your comments on!
Fair enough, I suppose the point I was making is that allowing that everyone can make mistakes, even if experienced and prepared, not dealing with the cold can be one of those mistakes and can have tough consequences! G
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Jul 2022
6:35pm, 12 Jul 2022
23,530 posts
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Dave A
At the weekend I used Tailwind in a race for the 1st time. I’ve trained on it and done a 3 hour run using it and have felt fine. The weekends race was just over 8 hours. I didn’t use the recommended amount, but was able to combine it with water, checkpoint food, and snack food (boiled spuds mainly), and have no I’ll effects. Even my rough patch didn’t feel too bad and I was happy to eat through it.
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Jul 2022
6:40pm, 12 Jul 2022
17,031 posts
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NDWDave
Sounds sensible Dave A. I use a similar approach
It is quite salty is used as recommended and I would be wary about taking too much on - especially if it is a cooler day. You don’t want to be Michelin man
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Jul 2022
6:56pm, 12 Jul 2022
23,531 posts
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Dave A
Over the 5 hours I took on about 5 litres of fluid, plus some dodgy cola. Didn’t wee once it was that hot.
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Jul 2022
6:56pm, 12 Jul 2022
23,532 posts
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Dave A
But didn’t feel dehydrated at any point.
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Jul 2022
6:58am, 13 Jul 2022
9,001 posts
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Northern Exile
Dave, I took on a similar amount of liquid during La Vénasque on Sunday, however it should probably have been more. I only had one instance of cramp and S-Caps took care of that, when it's as hot as that I just have to use them.
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Jul 2022
8:25am, 13 Jul 2022
18,358 posts
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geordiegirl
One was a Fetchie. I'll pass your comments on! Fair enough, I suppose the point I was making is that allowing that everyone can make mistakes, even if experienced and prepared, not dealing with the cold can be one of those mistakes and can have tough consequences! G
And on that I was listening to a podcast and they spoke about Debbie M-C and Damian Hall having a ‘lean’ after big ultras. Debbie’s was muscle spasm after The Spine but Damian’s was due to over hydration, on the race (forgot what it was) he had gone with a hydration plan of 400ml/hr and was in quite a serious condition by the end of the race. So yes even the most experienced can get it wrong at times.
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