So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005

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Stander
I'll accept dopey as a description rather than doper.
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Christophe Bassons interview translated here: velorooms.com
Aug 2012
10:35pm, 28 Aug 2012
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Stander
The chief sports editor didn't pull any punches in his piece in the Times today.
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12:34pm, 29 Aug 2012
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Chrisull
So in answer to Fitzer's original question, depending on what UCI decide, it will either be the second places:

Zulle, Ullrich, Beloki, Kloden and Basso (all fingered in doping scandals, but not yet stripped of positions from doping)

or

nobody - because of the above corollary.

Personally I favour the latter, one solution was keeping all the results the same, and just asterisking them all...
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Jörg Jaksche: Doping, Hypocrisy And A Dog Called Bella: cyclingnews.com
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1:20pm, 24 Sep 2012
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JohnnyO
cyclingnews.com

We should see the dossier soon: '30 times greater than anything that has come out so far' which is saying a lot, what I read in The Secret Race shocked me.
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1:24pm, 24 Sep 2012
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The Teaboy
I've just finished that too. Given Tyler Hamilton was only getting the secondary treatment, I dread to think the vast array of chemicals that Lance pumped through his system getting the first class service. I have no reason to believe that Hamilton was lying and certainly everything he said sounded plausible and self-consistent.

If the Spanish authorities had ever investigated Fuentes networks properly and not swept everything non-cycling under the carpet, there would have been a LOT of other sports completely in the mire too.
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1:31pm, 24 Sep 2012
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JohnnyO
Probably, sounds like Ufe had his finger in many pies. Hamilton did sound genuine all the way through, though he had a good writer so maybe that helped.

What shocked me was the scale of it. I thought it would be much more low key 'I went to Lance's room and he was throwing something away and had a bit of blood on his arm' kind of thing, not 'We all went to Spain in Lance's private jet to get a blood transfusion' and 'Lance had a fridge full of EPO'.
Sep 2012
1:36pm, 24 Sep 2012
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The Teaboy
I'm interested in the testimonies of the significant others like his ex-wife and Sheryl Crow, both of whom were subpoenaed to testify. What blew me away was how complicit Hamilton's ex-wife had to be - all the rearrangements and travelling here there and everywhere to arrange all the doping and drugs. She can (and presumably has) corroborated everything in the book because she was an intrinsic part of it. I can't believe that so many people got themselves wrapped up so deep in the whole thing.
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1:49pm, 24 Sep 2012
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JohnnyO
I wonder if there is any testimony going back before he had cancer? Sounds like it is all over for him anyway. The law suits will flood in and any sponsorship he has left will go. He will be too toxic.

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