Polarized training
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Mar 2014
6:12pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Canute
Week three of my polarised program: Total duration 363 min Easy run: 240 min run, av 6:18 min/Km; 77% HR max; 745 beats/Km; long run 16Km. Easy elliptical: 60 min (warm-up and recoveries) Tempo: 18 min (10 min run, 8 min elliptical) Intense: 45 min (3x5x3min on elliptical; peak HR: 96% HRmax, with 2 min easy recovery) Easy/tempo/intense: 82.5% / 5.0 % / 12.5% I had intended to introduce a bit more to tempo running this week but my arthritic joints are still playing up, so I substituted a few extra intense repeats on the elliptical |
Mar 2014
6:26pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Ninky Nonk
If you're training at a range of paces then it's not polarised, at least by the social science definition of the word. I would suggest a progressive mp run does not fit into a polarised training plan either. It's not easy, and it's not fast, and it's not in the right proportion. |
Mar 2014
6:33pm, 23 Mar 2014
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SPR
I guess research papers may work out different to what Mosop or other do as they try and find a specific key session etc. Mosop pretty much used all paces, just in different amounts. NN - Yep, same principles as a Gerschler session as it is an aerobic power session. |
Mar 2014
6:36pm, 23 Mar 2014
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SPR
X-post, but my first paragraph fits with what NN is saying.
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Mar 2014
6:49pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Canute
NN, I accept that terminology in different sciences might differ. My usage is quite close to that of Seiler, who has been a strong advocate of polarised training for many years. As SPR has pointed out, many elites follow a similar approach. In recent times, Steve Magness has become an advocate for this type of training. I think that the concept does merit specific discussion for two reasons: First, many recreational runners do a lot of their training in the mid zones. I think this can work fairly well early in a runner’s career, but there is a danger of getting stranded on a plateau. I think it is worth exploring an alternative approach that emphasizes the poles. Secondly, while approaches such as Hadd and Furman have a lot to recommend them, I consider both have significant limitations that are addressed by a more polarised approach. On the other hand, as described above, I think the P& D approach, which includes a wide range of session types, lends itself well to a polarised approach, but it is essentially a marathon or HM program, whereas I believe a polarised approach can be applied year round (except maybe for a month or so of recovery after a demanding race such as a target marathon) and leads to year on-year development. |
Mar 2014
7:13pm, 23 Mar 2014
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SPR
I think the name polarised come from what the researcher thinks is important. In other words there is a grey area Magness, Canova etc wouldn't call it polarised as they think all the paces they use are important and they wouldn't say there is a grey area. |
Mar 2014
7:16pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Canute
NN, Here is a paper by Seiler that examines the distribution of training intensities in elite cross-country skiers. He has also written advocating a similar approach in other sports including distance running. onlinelibrary.wiley.com |
Mar 2014
7:17pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Ninky Nonk
I'd be surprised if magness was an advocate. He has a pet peeve about zone training for starters, and promotes using different paces to target the same adaptation. I will accept his multi faceted approach encourages using a proportion of all paces at different phases of training, but then so do lydiard and hadd phase 1 (200m sets as well as lt and easy runs). Sorry if I'm just repeating what others are saying. |
Mar 2014
7:24pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Ninky Nonk
Reading the title of that paper has already got my heckles up! Will have a read. Off for a jog. |
Mar 2014
7:45pm, 23 Mar 2014
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Canute
SPR, I guess it is a question of how much grey should be included in the program. I certainly do believe that tempo has an important role to play. My own recommendations are probably a little less polarised than Seiler’s. However I do not want to get too deeply into debating exactly how much tempo should be allowed in a polarised program. It depends on the phase of training and on relationship to specific target races. I focus on the poles because I think that many runners (e.g. many devotees of Hadd) underemphasize the importance of intense running. There are many studies demonstrating that high intensity training provides not only ‘anaerobic’ development by also provides efficient aerobic development. For a runner who is stuck on plateau, a moderate amount of intense work is an effective way to move forwards. I believe that for year-on-year development, a substantial amount of easy running is also essential. Steve Magness might not use the term polarised but as you yourself pointed out he advocates a mixture that is not far away from what I advocate. Canova does place less emphasis on the easy running for well established elite runners. However even he does recommends easy runs not only for recovery but also stated in his Nairobi lecture: ‘’ Another time when the highly developed athlete runs at low intensity, usually far from the special periods, when the athlete trains the muscles and joints to work together for long periods of time (up to 3 hours), usually when he is alone so that he can ‘listen to his body’, and concentrate without waste of energy.’ But definitely for his elite runners, Canova recommends a lot of running near LT. NN, if the title of the Seiler paper raises your hackles, I think this might indicate that there is material for a good discussion here. But I do want to get into a debate that is itself too polarised. I certainly advocate using a wide range of session types. But I think that the proportions are worth debating. |
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