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Oct 2007
3:31pm, 27 Oct 2007
14 posts
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IAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD REMAIN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THIS FORUM.
Now was that me shouting, or did I accidently leave the caps lock on. The problem with this method of communication is it is easy to mis-interpret what has been said and what emotion was behind it.
There is a lot of valuable knowledge on this forum of which I have personally benefitted from, I doubt that I will agree with all of it or everyone, one day I might, another day I may get out of the wrong side of the bed.
Running is a passion and passion sparks debate, but we are all individuals with our own challenges and personalities - this forum brings all of us together as a community which can be rough as well as smooth, but we are all here to share and learn.
RANT OVER - sorry, rant over.
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Oct 2007
3:57pm, 27 Oct 2007
10,960 posts
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OK I WILL!! 
Well said EOS.
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Oct 2007
4:17pm, 27 Oct 2007
84 posts
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Breathes sight of relief that everyone is happy again :o))
What is it they say about communication - most of it is non verbal - makes bulletin boards a bit dangerous.
So lets trust each other and continue with the humour - life is tooooo short.
Kieren and Ian - Yes Lydieard is a tad on the enthusiastic side - I would have to give up work and probably my life to get to the levels he talks about - must get a copy of Parker.
Did my 12 miler this morning and to be honest just about everything was wrong with it. My legs felt like lead, I was not relaxed except for about a mile period at about 6 miles. Felt I was running very poorly and concentrating on my heart rate rather that my form which is what I normally do.
Bit fed up at the end of the run but put it into persspective whilst pickling myself in the hot tup. Next time I will be more confident about my Pace and stop looking at my damned watch and I had a bit of an issue about needing the loo ...... enough said on that :o))
My figures however were not bad, 9.15min miles with a heart rate average at 68%. Crept into the grey zone a few times but then there are 3 big hills on the route. So I was 15secs per mile slower but heart rate was down 7% from last time I ran it.
I found the run hard even at that average but I reckon I was just having a bad day.
Oh and Helen your calculations are right by my spreadsheet.
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Oct 2007
4:26pm, 27 Oct 2007
10,961 posts
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Some days it just feels wrong Mike. You did a good 12 miles though well done.
Yes, trust is a good word. If we trust each other then we know that none of us would be intentinally offensive to anyone. I agree.
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Oct 2007
4:33pm, 27 Oct 2007
15 posts
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Going back to the reference I made about "sharing" in my previous post...
*asks embarrassingly*
I would be very pleased to receive any spreadsheets that would help me calculate my HR zones
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Oct 2007
4:45pm, 27 Oct 2007
1,447 posts
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Girlie
Blimey, it's been busy on here for a saturday!
Hellen- you're right about my pace etc , what I do know is I would have been injured, if I had carried on training the way I was before starting HRM training.
I used to do everything at around 10:00/mi pace, and did come back from 10 mile runs completely knackered, if I hadn't had to slow right down during the run first! As a result I did develop a calf injury that definitely affected my performance at GEAR at the beginning of May.
Ian- you stay as you are, me duck! I value your wisdom and advice and without you guys on here wouldn't have got to this marathon in one piece!
My frustrations with the method are well documented, but being a beginner I stuck with it and eventually it clicked, although it did take time, and I admit if i don't concentrate on it now, my HR drifts upwards.
I like the Parker method because of it's simplicity, I'm hoping to introduce some speedwork in January as preparation for my next marathon, but with all these other ones being discussed I am already confused as how to proceed with training for my next marathon.
I had a similar problem to you in the GER- I do not believe my HR was a true one, but more caused as an adreline rush with the occassion etc. I'm hoping I can control it a bit more next week, so I can stick to my original plan, but I'm not going to walk it, so may revert to a pace method if that's more suitable on the day.
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Oct 2007
5:16pm, 27 Oct 2007
1,448 posts
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Girlie
Just read my post back- Ian the paragraph to you should have been at the end of my post.
Can I just add, I am happy with my progress using the training, I neither know nor care if I would have improved more by running at 73%, mainly becauase I am not a natural athlete, I believe my pace limit is around 9-10:00/mi which I hope to get back to or at least be able to race at.
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Oct 2007
5:38pm, 27 Oct 2007
1,254 posts
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Oohhh... I seem to have missed a lot on this thread. IanM - your opinions & advice are much appreciated - please stay around! Your advice has certainly help me improve my running If anyone's wondering why I got injured then it's because I went totally over the top in late August and did a lot of races as well as a lot of road miles. Since I started HR training I've enjoyed my running more, and been more motivated for the first time I'm also beginning to get an understanding of pacing, which is helpful.
Hellen - I've just started reading the Daniels running formula book. I haven't got very far through it but his basic point seems to be that different things work for different people. Some people do better off lots of slow miles, some benefit more from faster running, although you should really have a mix of both (I think).
eoshero - go to Train -> Calculators - you need to know your resting HR and max HR first.
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Oct 2007
5:54pm, 27 Oct 2007
10,963 posts
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Thanks Lucky, Girlie. If I have helped then that's nice to know.
Yes Lucky, it's the mixture of easy and hard that ultimately helps you to improve. Hence Parker's obsession with making sure there is a BIG zone between easy and hard to make sure people do that.
Whatever system you use it boils down to the fact you can't train hard all the time without significantly increased risk of injury. Giving the body active recovery in between hard sessions helps it to recover and adapt. By adapting you get stronger and faster.
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Oct 2007
6:34pm, 27 Oct 2007
46 posts
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IanRunner
Ian you definitely help alot.
Been for a long run today. Was about 9.00/mile at below 70% and was quite disappointed as I have been doing 8.30/mile at this distance. Managed 10.00 miles in 90.00minutes.
Ive been training like this for about three weeks, that is 1 fast run with the rest below 70%, but dont seem to be getting any better anything to be worried about?
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