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Qwerty
Qwerty
Jan 2007
12:49pm, 3 Jan 2007
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Qwerty
pabc, try recalculating your figures - I'm working on (MHR minus RHR) x 60% + RHR. This would give you 131 for a 60% run.

(I'm no expert, this is from the book!)
Sir Pabsey - Knight of Fetch
Sir Pabsey - Knight of Fetch
Jan 2007
1:42pm, 3 Jan 2007
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Sir Pabsey - Knight of Fetch
All I've every read was 60% of MHR. Your formula does seem to give more realistic figures.

I've just been on a treadmill at done 8:30s for 5 miles. My HR was 132 up to eventually 136. I guess even that was too quick.

It just feels so wrong going so slow compared to normal - does it really do any good?

P
Jan 2007
1:45pm, 3 Jan 2007
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Yes it does P.

I use the Compleat Idiots book to work out my recovery ceiling as does qwerty by the looks of it.

It will feel stupidly slow for a while but you get used to it.
Jan 2007
1:48pm, 3 Jan 2007
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pabc - there is a REALLY good synopsis regarding Base Training done by Windsurfin' Susie - where she debunks the myths about having to always stick to specific HR's and running mind-numbingly slowly. I'll see if I can find it

I train to a HR all the time - and 60% MHR would be 124bpm for me.
And I do my Recovery runs at 135-140!!
Qwerty
Qwerty
Jan 2007
1:49pm, 3 Jan 2007
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Qwerty
Waddle on P!
Jan 2007
1:58pm, 3 Jan 2007
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El Bee, nobody has said you have to always stick to a certain HR and run mind numbingly slowly. The point is to make a clear distinction between easy and hard...

But really, that's another thread...

http://www.fetcheveryone.com/viewtopic.php?id=1809
Jan 2007
2:05pm, 3 Jan 2007
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IanM - Yes I know - but the issues that people have when they first start running using HR to help structure their training is that they fix on this 60-65% thing - and the reality is, that until you have built up a reasonable amount of fitness, that is the HR at which most people will Walk Briskly

And trying to run TOO slowly will get you injured
It is, of course a continuum, but as long as you are well in your aerobic 'zone' for your Long and Recovery runs - then you'll be achieving the benefits that you are after - an Increased aerobic base - Increased endurance etc
Jan 2007
2:10pm, 3 Jan 2007
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elbee, yes I agree that you have to work at it. It takes a while as I have said before you can run reasonably at low HR. However, I don't believe running too slowly will injure you. It certainly has never done me anything but good...
Jan 2007
2:20pm, 3 Jan 2007
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It does - it takes about 8 weeks!

With regard to running very slowly, I'll have to disagree with you on that - having been injured twice from trying to run too slowly
The dynamics of the way you run change dependent upon the pace you are running at - and everyone has a 'most efficient' pace at which they run. Most people run significantly more 'heavily' when they run VERY slowly. to the point of such inefficiency that things start to hurt and go all pear shaped!

There is a diference IMO between running slowly - and Overdoing running slowly.
In the same way that you can train too fast!!!

And the point at which you lose technique (even as a Faster Runner Running Slowly) is the point too far
B.B.
B.B.
Jan 2007
3:13pm, 3 Jan 2007
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B.B.
Qwerty makes a very important point on the prevous page...

The %'s that we talk about are X% of your RANGE + Resting HR
Range = Max HR - Resting HR.

It's NOT just X% x Max HR. So PABC, as Qwerty says, your 60% would be 131, not 112. That's a big difference...

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

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A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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