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Jan 2007
10:14pm, 4 Jan 2007
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[kills Keyboard Gremlin that adds in extra letters and swaps the order of others]
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Jan 2007
10:42pm, 4 Jan 2007
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that's weird - i posted a reply, came back and it had gorn !
Ok - happy with progress, thank v much for your advice, understood all that. I believe you now, that i must do the max test - and I will, but maybe not tomorrow ! And i will build up my colony of mito doodahs too (no doubt) cheers me dear.
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Jan 2007
1:55pm, 5 Jan 2007
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Maclennane
When Parker talks about runs over 2hrs being counterproductive... what do you do for marathons?
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Jan 2007
3:08pm, 5 Jan 2007
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Can't remember all the book but wonder if he's talking about during a base training period? Any training build up before you start the actual marathon training?
I got an endurance book the other day and it had quite a bit about base training of various sorts and warned against overdoing it & peaking too soon. Say at the moment I have 8 months until my marathon if I go out now and start to do lots of 4 hour runs it's not going to help me anymore than doing 2 hour runs during the base period. I'd also run the risk of exhausting myself and getting injured.
Probably should read the bit you're referring to before answering 
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Jan 2007
3:16pm, 5 Jan 2007
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Cracking thread this, with some really intersting posts - hence I thought I'd post my following query
I am slightly "puzzled" re the pace for my 70%max whr runs and my "tempo" runs.
I have been more or less following the 70%h/r training, pretty much, for the past 9 months or so (largely following reading Hendo's thread on the RW site!) and my run today highlighted the difference between my 70%max whr and my "tempo" (80%maxWHR+) pace. Basically the 1st undulating 3.9mile lap was done at an ave of 148 (being spot on 70% of my calculated max WHR) in an ave pace of 6.9min mile, whereas the 2nd "tempo" lap, was done with an ave h/r of 169 (approx 85% max WHR) in an ave of 6min miles.
On virtually all of my "longer" 70%maxWHR runs in the last few months (including some very hilly ones) the ave pace has been around the 7min mile mark.
I am reasonably "happy" about my set max h/r (taken during a hilly 12.5km run back in September) and the set resting h/r (taken 1st thing in the morning), but I'm slightly surprised (though not really worried/disappointed) re the apparent ave pace for a tempo run (6min mile) and that for "70%maxWHR" run (7min mile). I'm I just "worrying" about nothing?
I would be very grateful for any comments.
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Jan 2007
5:37pm, 5 Jan 2007
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JB Personally I don't think you have anything to worry about. 7mm at 70% is a great pace (and if you ensure you have built a really solid base, then 3:15 at Snowdon is definitely on!)
The only thing that I would personally suggest - and I don't have a copy of the book that people are talking about - is that your Tempo runs could perhaps be done a couple of % higher.
To be running at 6mm at 80% when 7mm is at 70% seems fine to me - there isn't a huge difference in bpm between those zones - especially as your 70% is 148bpm!
Sorry about the dreadful grammar!!!
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Jan 2007
5:44pm, 5 Jan 2007
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Ah - just re-read your post
Tempo at 85% is about right - missed that that's what you did!
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Jan 2007
5:45pm, 5 Jan 2007
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B.B.
7mm at 70% is f*cking quick!!
I'm trying for sub-3 marathon in April and my 70% runs are c. 8:30 m/m at the moment!
But sure you've calculated them right, so looking good!
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Jan 2007
5:50pm, 5 Jan 2007
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I was thinking the same BB!!
It's quicker than me too!
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Jan 2007
5:57pm, 5 Jan 2007
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JB, I agree with BB and ElBee, I doubt you have anything to worry about. You should achieve sub 3:15 at that as Elbee says providing you have a good solid base.
Perhaps you could do a few slower runs to make sure you are below your recovery ceiling which should be easy for you and you would still be running at a fair old clip!
Apart from that, looking very good. I only wish I was anywhere near that fast!
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