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Jul 2009
5:22pm, 8 Jul 2009
1,424 posts
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LouLou
I find HR training really frustrating. I can't get consistency. One night I'll do a 70% effort and only manage 8.50min/miles then next day i'll get 8.30s. I'm so up and down with it. now that I run slower I feel sluggish on runs and doubt I could up the pace if I tried sometimes.
Part of me says go back to old training and part of me thinks maybe it just takes time?
Could just be tiredness affecting it? (working 14hour shifts with 6 hour sleep between shifts)
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Jul 2009
5:32pm, 8 Jul 2009
629 posts
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Bazoaxe
Lou, thats part of my worry, by my old pace method I knew where I was and how doing !
However, no running goal until VLM next April so I have some time to experiment before training starts for real in December !
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Jul 2009
3:57pm, 11 Jul 2009
249 posts
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Loca
Have been doing lots of sub 70% running as part of my Abingdon marathon training and have noticed some definite improvements lately. For example, today I did an 18 mile run keeping below 70% WHR for the first 15 miles. Pace for those miles averaged at 7:39 and ave WHR of 65%. when I started HR training in late December 2008, I was averaing 8:30 for 65% WHR.
For the last 3 miles of my run, I increased the pace to what was approx my marathon pace at London this year. I averaged 6:45 and ave WHR of 75%. In my runs prior to London this kind of pace was around 83% WHR.
It seems to be working well for me 
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Jul 2009
11:42pm, 12 Jul 2009
388 posts
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IanRunner
Hi.
What should your average WHR% be when doing a half marathon if you are racing to your full potential?
I've had a few races lately where it seems to be hurting but when I finish and check my average hr it only seems to be just over what an average tempo run should be.
Should I be trying to push harder?
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Jul 2009
8:46am, 13 Jul 2009
196 posts
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P.E...
Ian, personally I don't race to hr but would have thought it would be limited to how well you can run at the perceived 'threshold' range (about 80-89% of max heart rate sorry not sure of the working heart rate figures)
I think IIRC my last one was around 85-86 of my max heart rate. Maybe its not case of your not trying but you need to stick with the training keep plugging away with the tempo runs too! It will come just stick with it!
Regarding dodgy pace being over the pace for heart rate bear in mind the fluctuations of heat at the moment can play havoc with your hr. Infact my asthma gets worse during summer so messes with my hr
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Jul 2009
8:57am, 13 Jul 2009
15,896 posts
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CB.
As far as I am aware in theory you should be measuring your resting HR each morning and then adjusting your 70% limit according to that days measurement. It can fluctuate due to overtraining, lack of recovery from a previous session or even medication or heat.
i generally dont race to HR unless it is a 'training' race but I did hear once that it was impossible to race at much more than your 70% over the course of a marathon. I have not seen any evidence to back that up
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Jul 2009
5:16pm, 14 Jul 2009
6,521 posts
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Ultracat
i have been getting erractic reading the last couple of runs, not a high HR but very low, so unable to record the average, any tips on getting the monitor to stay in place and connect properly. I currently tuck it under my enell bra.
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Jul 2009
5:52pm, 14 Jul 2009
1,133 posts
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Meglet
thats what i do UCat, it goes under my bra strap. do you wet it before you put it on? could the battery be going?
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Jul 2009
6:34pm, 14 Jul 2009
6,522 posts
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Ultracat
meglet I had the battery changed recently, so will try wetting it, although I do put bodyglide on before the strap.
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Jul 2009
8:57pm, 14 Jul 2009
1,930 posts
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Nellers
I seem to have made some big leaps on the HR training front over the last few weeks. Back in April and May I was running at about 67% MHR at about 12 min mile pace or slower. Yesterday I did a run at 10 and a bit minute miling at the same HR. That's got to be progress, eh?
Caveats on this are that
a) I've been using a very basic HRM so my "ave HR" figures are my best estimate based on looking at the HR monitor often during my runs. The Garmin 405 is due to be delivered by those nice Amazonians tomorrow.
and
b) I was starting from couch-potato so I guess doing anything consistently for 6 months or so would ahve had a huge effect on fitness anyway, so I suppose I can't claim that low intensity HR training is better than anything as it's really all I've tried.
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