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Cheg
Cheg
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Cheg
If you ain’t first you’re last. Shake and bake.
Fenners-Reborn
Fenners-Reborn
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He (Southgate) never ever beat a good team when it mattered. Had easy draws and people think he was 'special'?
Fenners-Reborn
Fenners-Reborn
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7:34pm, 7 Sep 2024
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..and Cheg, would you swap Southgate for Eric ten Haag?
Cheg
Cheg
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8:27pm, 7 Sep 2024
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Cheg
I’ve blogged on Southgate twice.

simonssportingblog.wordpress.com

simonssportingblog.wordpress.com
GordonG
GordonG
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9:22pm, 7 Sep 2024
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Fenners-Reborn wrote:He (Southgate) never ever beat a good team when it mattered. Had easy draws and people think he was 'special'?

Does beating the Netherlands in the euro semis not count as a big team when it mattered?

Here's a full list of all England managers who beat a 'big' team in a euros or wc finals outside of England.

Gareth Southgate
GordonG
GordonG
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(Knockout match)
Cheg
Cheg
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Germany at Euro 2020 doesn’t count, because they weren’t a good German side.

Croatia in the group stages at Euro 2020 because they were past it.
TROSaracen
TROSaracen
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9:30am, 8 Sep 2024
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Italy home and away in the qualifiers?

I think there’s a lot of ‘well if England beat them they must have been shit’ going on.
Nellers
Nellers
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9:36am, 8 Sep 2024
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I know it's not cool to have any interest in the FIFA and UEFA rankings because they're clearly bollocks etc. BUT they are used to seed qualifying groups and tournament groups.

We keep being told that under Southgate we never played anyone good until late stages of tournaments. It's arguably true, but that's because we won more games against decent opposition in ranking matches, improved out ranking position, and got seeded as top seeds in all the groups.

That wasn't an accident, it wasn't coincidence or luck, and it wasn't done consistently by any of the previous England managers.

The ranking system may be a bit of a joke but if it has an impact on your chances of progressing (and ultimately winning) tournaments then taking it seriously is a sign of professionalism from a manager, and Southgate was nothing if not professional.
Nellers
Nellers
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9:41am, 8 Sep 2024
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And whilst I'm absolutely not up for bashing Carsley I do think declaring him the new Messiah and saying England have "Finally taken the handbrake off" after 3 days with the squad and 45 minutes against RoI is a bit premature, particularly given that the second half wasn't anything but controlled.

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