Coronavirus discussion thread

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Bazoaxe Jan 2021 10:03pm, 20 Jan 2021 18,657 posts	0 Bazoaxe I heard about a death from COVID today. Elderly relative of a Work colleague. I also read that a sore red eye is a symptom. Albeit rare. I had that very thing on 18 December but it cleared up quickly with eye drops from the chemist. Did make me wonder.
Johnny Blaze Jan 2021 11:25pm, 20 Jan 2021 24,584 posts	0 Johnny Blaze In "about" a week's time we will join the 100,000 deaths club, along with: US - popn 332m Brazil - popn 213m India - popn 1.4Bn Mexico - popn 130m We have a population of 67m. In all the rah rah about the vaccination programme we shouldn't lose sight that as a govt and as a country we have made a spectacular mess of our management of the crisis up to this point. In a few days' time we will have a higher death per million rate than practically every country in the world. This has driven our choices on the vaccine programme - which we must hope will pay off, because if they don't we are really screwed.
HappyG(rrr) Jan 2021 7:28am, 21 Jan 2021 37,192 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) My pals in US are getting vaccinated next week. My age, 50s, one a teacher, one a transportation manager. Looks like US is even stating to improve the drive to vaccinate better than UK. On the Scotland vaccination position, this is anecdotal but pal's wife is a GP in a populous area. They got only 55 doses. He says it's not being delivered from UK government. As I say it's just one person and anecdotal (the GP may be mistaken or misinformed) but... I told my US pal 50s in UK aren't til summer here. He was quite shocked.
larkim Jan 2021 7:41am, 21 Jan 2021 13,293 posts	0 larkim A reminder - by the end of the week, San Marino, Belgium, Gibraltar and Slovenia will be the only countries with a death rate higher than ours. There should be widespread anger with our government about this. It didn't have to be this way.
TROSaracen Jan 2021 7:41am, 21 Jan 2021 22,690 posts	0 TROSaracen No happy. US rates are around 912k per day. We are running over 300k per day so on a per capita basis they need 1.5m to match UK rate, with more to catch up as we started earlier.
HappyG(rrr) Jan 2021 7:43am, 21 Jan 2021 37,194 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Guess my pals are just lucky then. Anyone see eL Bee's blog with Israel data saying PfB vaccine only 33% effective 2 weeks after first dose?
Cheg Jan 2021 7:53am, 21 Jan 2021 2,358 posts	0 Cheg We keep coming back to this one and I keep biting. Of course our government has performed badly. Indecisive and fumbling around. But in general terms we have used similar measures to the rest of Western Europe and seen similar results. I think there are 25 countries in the world with death dates in excess of 1,000 per million and we are one of them. That also includes France, Italy and Spain as well as USA. Now whether it is 1,000 or 1,200 per million they are in very similar positions. Germany is a good comparison and has done well. Good ventilator capacity and would like to look into their other measures. The start of this I work with a it's 5g nut and he showed me a map of 5g locations and Then corona cases. They matched nicely. I told him to show me a map of transport hubs and airline movements and that is the major factor not 5g and not government. Not the only factor but the most significant.
TROSaracen Jan 2021 8:00am, 21 Jan 2021 22,692 posts	0 TROSaracen Germany is a poor comparison. I spend a lot of time there (pre pandemic). They are very different as a country and population. Give Germans health advice and most will follow it. In the UK very few will. Make it mandatory and they will all comply; we get better compliance but nowhere near 100%. Also a much healthier population, much lower obesity, much more outdoorsy (even in the frigid winters).
larkim Jan 2021 8:02am, 21 Jan 2021 13,294 posts	0 larkim I respectfully disagree! The govt has repeatedly signalled optimistic messages about where things are heading and stuck to its libertarian attitudes, common sense of the British public etc. And to compound that, when the signals from the data have been utterly conclusive, v they've dithered and delayed in putting in mitigations. They've allowed this to get progressively worse with the only criteria being applied of "we can tolerate infection up to the max capacity of the NHS". Below that, they don't care about deaths. And even if the UK's enviable position as a transport hub for the world is key, the govt has or had the power to control that too. Presumably also most of the inbound passengers to our hubs also leave via those same hubs pretty instantly. We are so far ahead of most other European nations in terms of death rates. It's a disgrace.
larkim Jan 2021 8:02am, 21 Jan 2021 13,295 posts	0 larkim (disagreeing with chef, not tro!)