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Apr 2022
10:49pm, 14 Apr 2022
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Muttley
Third possibility is that there are mines floating around the Black Sea. Russia says Ukraine did it, Ukraine says Russia did it. Would be funny if the Russians were hoist by their own petard, though.
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Apr 2022
11:10pm, 14 Apr 2022
8,692 posts
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Northern Exile
Mmmm, I'd be surprised if they were chucking sea mines around, dangerous things and highly likely to sink your own side. Personally, I'm absolutely convinced that the Moskva was damaged by a shore-based missile attack and not necessarily the "Neptun" variant as claimed by the Ukrainians. There is a lot not being reported here.
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Apr 2022
11:16pm, 14 Apr 2022
55,145 posts
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Derby Tup
Do you think the Ukrainians have received some better weapons than the West have said they have donated NE?
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Apr 2022
11:22pm, 14 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
Not necessarily. How about those harpoon missiles we were discussing the other day? Just speculation of course.
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Apr 2022
11:33pm, 14 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
Just been reading that the Moskva apparently had a 3-tier defence system, meaning it should have had a CIWS similar to Goalkeeper or Phalanx. This is after my time, the Russians really struggled with that technology in the past. I wonder why none of it was engaged? It really does suggest that they didn't see it coming.
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Apr 2022
8:16am, 15 Apr 2022
1,496 posts
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Muttley
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Apr 2022
8:28am, 15 Apr 2022
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jda
NE, the story I’ve seen going around is that the best system may have been distracted by a drone. Which sounds a bit rubbish!
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Apr 2022
8:43am, 15 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
Yes, that's all over the military forums. Most people (myself included) are sceptical, but the Ukrainians have been achieving great things with their Aerogvozdika drone division, so I guess you have to count it as a possibility. The bottom line is this: Taking out the Moskva is a huge military and political coup and the Ukrainians will be seeking to keep the real details very close to their chest - a plausible explanation is necessary to satisfy the world.
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Apr 2022
12:29pm, 15 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
Some military sentiment ......
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Apr 2022
9:37pm, 15 Apr 2022
1,499 posts
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Muttley
Reports, not confirmed, say that the skipper of the Moskva died and only about 50 of the crew survived. If true, it's hard to keep that kind of casualty count from the public.
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