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Hadd's Approach To Distance Running

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MattTheRat Oct 2009 9:21am, 19 Oct 2009 480 posts	0 MattTheRat Had I met Hadd yesterday, I'd have asked Hadd if he had had a Hadd test, or whether Hadd had had it with Hadd puns.
Sloggerian Oct 2009 9:50pm, 19 Oct 2009 1,236 posts	0 Sloggerian Can I ask what is no doubt a very silly question? Reading Hadd's approach, the max HR of Joe (193) is very similar to mine (195) but when he calculates 70% of that he arrives at 145bpm, whereas when I take 70% of 195 I get 137bpm. I work out percentages on a fairly regular basis so am reasonably confident I know how to do it correctly. To further complicate things, my Garmin seems to think that 70% of 195 is 150bpm! Where am I going wrong....
Dave A Oct 2009 9:55pm, 19 Oct 2009 13,490 posts	0 Dave A I Hadd mine as 135 being 70% of 194
eL Bee! Oct 2009 10:00pm, 19 Oct 2009 10,506 posts	0 eL Bee! Your Garmin is giving you % of HRR I suspect Dunno about the other My 70% is145 (well, 144.9 if you are going to be picky ;)) Max is 207
SPR™ Oct 2009 10:05pm, 19 Oct 2009 7,814 posts	0 SPR™ 145 is 75% for Joe
SPR™ Oct 2009 10:20pm, 19 Oct 2009 7,815 posts	0 SPR™ The document says that: "The low aerobic pace had to be ~50 bpm lower than his HRmax (70-75% of HRmax)." Which for me basically would mean no change which is good
Sloggerian Oct 2009 11:47pm, 19 Oct 2009 1,237 posts	0 Sloggerian thanks folks, i think i've hadd enough confirmation now. Appreciate you all confirming that i'm not going totally madd. It's a really interesting document but conflicts with itself so often, not over the main concepts but just around the details. So to cut a long story short with a max of 195, i'm going to work to 136 as my upper limit for aerobic conditioning unless anyone can tell me otherwise.
SPR™ Oct 2009 12:24am, 20 Oct 2009 7,816 posts	0 SPR™ "If your HRmax is 193 OR HIGHER, then the following applies: HRmax: 193+ (even if over 200) Best possible HRmarathon: 175-177 HRav (note, this is the average taken from mile 5 to mile 25, not the peak. Your HR might peak to 181 in the final miles as you throw everything onto the fire). Suggested training HR's: Easy every day running: 145 HR or lower (If you begin really unused to this form of training, initially you might start at 150, but as soon as the pace at this HR improves, it is recommended that you reduce your easy running HR to 145 or lower). This can often feel very slow to begin with, but should improve within 3-6 weeks and continue to improve for months. You may do as much running as you wish at this HR/intensity (always being careful to avoid overuse injury). Initial LTHR (initial lactate threshold heart rate): As with Joe in the example, begin at 155-160 and do not let the HR rise on the run. Build up the distance you can run for, over time, to 10 miles. At first, you may have to slow down within the run to maintain HR, but over the weeks and months, you should note that the running speed begins to remain more stable and you do not have to slow down (so much) to stop your HR rising. In time, the running pace at this HR (and all other HR’s above it) will also improve. Only move this HR up when your running pace vs HR is rock steady and you (easily) are able to run 10 miles at this HR without loss of pace or rise in HR. At that point, only move the HR up by 5bpm and begin again. The slower you build up the first time, the better your pace at HRmarathon will be. Remain at each HR as long as you are seeing improvement on the 2400m test and definitely until your pace vs HR is stable. You are trying to reach a state where your predicted/expected marathon pace and your 170 HR pretty much coincide in the 2400m test. And that this pace per mile can be maintained in training for 10-15 miles at 170-175 HR without rising effort or rising HR."
Steadysteve Oct 2009 5:23am, 20 Oct 2009 272 posts	0 Steadysteve To get Hr you usually have to take away your resting HR than get the per centage of what is left and add your resting HR back on
Belper Bear Oct 2009 7:27am, 20 Oct 2009 1,870 posts	0 Belper Bear Steadysteve: Hadd gives percentage of Max HR figures. The merhod you give uses WHR in the style of Parker. I found 70% WHR difficult at first but now find I can do 70% MHR. For me the figures are 70% WHR 141 70% MHR 135 that 6 beats makes a massive difference too!