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Hadd's Approach To Distance Running

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Skunk Oct 2009 7:03pm, 9 Oct 2009 794 posts	Quote Pin Skunk just gone out and done10+ miles and tried going slow. ran on a hilly course at average 8:53m/m. Ive got to say im f**ked! Need to get a HRM to check out how im doing but i firmly believe i need to cut the speed and get the mileage up.
Dave A Oct 2009 7:05pm, 9 Oct 2009 13,362 posts	Quote Pin Dave A Skunk: If you can follow the plan you will fly. You should have a good bit of fitness from the Tri spits stuff. And I seem to remember you were a bit nippy on the wing at Shaw Cross.
Dave A Oct 2009 7:06pm, 9 Oct 2009 13,363 posts	Quote Pin Dave A Faster than me anyway, which wouldn't have taken much
Skunk Oct 2009 7:08pm, 9 Oct 2009 797 posts	Quote Pin Skunk yeah i think i will but if you look at my mileage i really need to up it as its just not enough and i suppose this is a great way of doing it..
Skunk Oct 2009 7:09pm, 9 Oct 2009 798 posts	Quote Pin Skunk (i was actually running away from you dave)
chirunner Oct 2009 7:14pm, 9 Oct 2009 587 posts	Quote Pin chirunner 12 miles tomorrow at 130bpm HR - really slow for me.
Dave A Oct 2009 7:17pm, 9 Oct 2009 13,364 posts	Quote Pin Dave A Howcome you stood next to me in the showers then Skunk?
P.E... Oct 2009 7:22pm, 9 Oct 2009 289 posts	Quote Pin P.E... Boab as I understand (and I could be wrong here) the idea of the training is as you say base training (he goes further into his approaches on a letsrun I think of what to do once this intial phase is over). The idea being that there should be a good relationship between most of your times (indeed he does say you maybe be better at a certain distance). But with Joe he slowly uses the training to up his runs to 10 miles at 170 hr (somewhere between 88 and 89% of Joes HR max). Hadd see's this as Joe's desired Marathon HR. But he doesnt start running at that HR he starts the faster paced runs at 83% MHR until the pace is consistent you then up another level until the same happens. When Joe's pace at 88%MHR is steady he kinda suggests he is ready but then doesn't tell us how he got on! Maybe I shouldn't have called them marathon/tempo runs but my interpretation is that is basically what they are until I improve my HR to the next level, but yeah should have been clearer powerrunning.com - This link kinda disproves some of his theroies I think most schedules agree that running between 80-90% of MHR help with improvements (P&D for example) generally.
Skunk Oct 2009 7:26pm, 9 Oct 2009 801 posts	Quote Pin Skunk Dave - cos ive never seen anyone with 3 legs before...
IanRunner Oct 2009 8:33pm, 9 Oct 2009 417 posts	Quote Pin IanRunner I think the only theory he has which could be classed as debatable is his sub lacate runs. As most others advice training at your latate threshold, but even then Lydiard advises running at more than one aerobic pace. P.E I've read Powerrunning's opinions but they dont really prove that faster running has worked well for anyone at a top class level. Where as Hadds ideas are similar to Lydiard, who was very successful.