XC spikes recommendations - to stop being sucked off!

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larkim Jan 2017 9:32am, 30 Jan 2017 1,649 posts	0 larkim Sorry for the clickbait title However, it does describe experience to date! Son (17, size 10 feet) has been XC running in Puma spikes since he was aged 10, and gone through countless pairs. However, the set he's been running in for the last couple of years since his feet stopped growing have developed an annoying habit of coming out at the heel in gloopy mud. It's happened a couple too many times now despite paying ever closer attention to tightly done up lacing, duct tape across the laces etc etc, and it's not as if we are inexperienced at this (its his favourite discipline). Any recommendations for XC spike brands or models which have a secure heel fit (perhaps a little higher than normal?) which might do the job? (He's got Inov-8 fell running shoes too, may run these out in the next race anyway, but he does need / want spikes too so the debate about fell vs spikes is for another day!) Thanks in advance!!
K5 Gus Jan 2017 11:37am, 30 Jan 2017 2,036 posts	0 K5 Gus Quite a lot of running shows have an additional eyelet, further back towards the ankle which is optional to use. Do the Pumas have this ? If not look for a pair that does as it secures the foot more, eg google.co.uk ps Not recommending these specific spikes, just an example of a pair with the additional eyelet
K5 Gus Jan 2017 11:39am, 30 Jan 2017 2,037 posts	0 K5 Gus Oops, meant to link to a specific pair, not the general google search eg brooksrunning.com
larkim Jan 2017 11:42am, 30 Jan 2017 1,654 posts	0 larkim Yes, the current puma ones do have these, and they are used so sadly they aren't the solution! The heel cup is quite flimsy on the ones he's got, so perhaps its just that something like the Adidas XCS or Saucony Kilkenny are just a "better" shoe with less to go wrong.
duo Jan 2017 1:05pm, 30 Jan 2017 321 posts	0 duo I have a very narrow foot and narrow heel. It's murder trying to keep normal shoes on for me let alone in muddy conditions. It's Brookes spikes I have and they're very narrow and the heel cup is high and relatively rigid.
larkim Jan 2017 1:11pm, 30 Jan 2017 1,658 posts	0 larkim Cheers duo, that's really helpful!