The War in Ukraine
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6 Nov
10:50am, 6 Nov 2024
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richmac
Keeping Trump away from direct contact with Putin would be wise.
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6 Nov
11:59am, 6 Nov 2024
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Muttley
Chrisull wrote: Trump is "an agent of chaos" though, and it's not quite clear what he will bring. It may change weekly. Weirdly having two authoritarian leaders with grudging but definite mutual respect, glowering across the Atlantic at each other **may** help keep a stalemate of sorts. I suspect leaving NATO is too much like hard work for Trump, and instead it will be neglected and other allies will be forced to cough up more (which most sides agree is a good thing). Putin will have less sabre rattling to do about it, and might think about cutting his losses and seeing if he can get Crimea/Donbas and a guarantee of neutrality and be done with it. I don't like this solution, but Putin will be wary of Trump's randomness. Not entirely in agreement with this. There is no mutual respect - Trump worships Putin, Putin sees Trump as an easy walkover (and he's right). I suspect you're correct about neglect of Nato and Europe having to step up, no bad thing really. But when it comes to the Ukraine war, Putin is all in and determined to extinguish the country and its identity. If he does stop soon it'll only be to maintain the conflict at a low level while he regroups for the next phase. There'll be no peace until Russia is forced out of Ukraine and with the orange man running Washington that is unlikely to happen. |
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6 Nov
12:27pm, 6 Nov 2024
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richmac
Unless Trump lets off an ICBM or 50 at Moscow but that's not likely..... Is it ?
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6 Nov
2:13pm, 6 Nov 2024
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Pothunter
It certainly puts the doubt into Putin’s mind. He knows Biden won’t, and Harris wouldn’t have, but Trump just might.
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7 Nov
11:12am, 7 Nov 2024
22,386 posts
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Chrisull
German snap elections which will see the right return (probably as part of a coalition), also means Ukraine funding will be hit. The rift which saw Scholz fire his chancellor (from the moderate right FDP) was partially about Ukraine funding, and the FDP refusing to fund anymore.
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7 Nov
11:14am, 7 Nov 2024
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Chrisull
(Correction here - if the CDU get in outright, they want even greater funding for Ukraine, so it might yet be ok from Ukraine's point of view). But the AFD and FDP (two possible coalition bedfellows) certainly don't.
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9 Nov
1:09pm, 9 Nov 2024
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Chrisull
Better news from the US, Trump is considering Mike Rogers as his DOD pick. Rogers is a Ukraine hawk/ally. He also tried to clock MAGA loonie Matt Gaetz (so republican on republican) in the speaker vote debacle a while back and had to be held back, which is *ahem* understandable (I held back from saying commendable)
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