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Jan 2017
1:15pm, 17 Jan 2017
4,890 posts
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Huntsman
Dvorak - I will take no notice of my HR readings during the race. It's the HR readings prior to Race Day that will indicate the MP I can realistically hold.
The P&D schedule I'm following suggests MP should be an Average of 79-88% of Max HR. I did an MP run of 8 miles recently and I averaged 88%, no way I could do that for a marathon as I was really pushing to hit the pace. If I see the MP runs come down to, let's say 82/83% of Max HR during training I know I'm in with a chance of hitting my time goal. That's just me though and everyone's different.
Interested to read other people's thoughts.
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Jan 2017
1:15pm, 17 Jan 2017
138 posts
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Brunski
I really need to stretch my heart rate bands. I've been working at 70-75% MHR for my effort sessions, and probably nearer 65-70% on my general coasting to/from work days.
On my effort days I'm getting some really good paces @ around the 145-150 bpm mark (max is around 200)...I couldn't even dream of getting to running a marathon @ 84% max, which would be approaching 170bpm.
I've been trotting out 50-60 miles a week (last week up to 69) and teh beats per mile is really encouraging.
Either, as others have said before, my watch is not counting BPM properly (I think it tracks accross), or I'm in for massive personal bests over the longer distances this year (let's hope it's the latter, but only time will tell).
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Jan 2017
3:46pm, 17 Jan 2017
229 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Brunski
'effort days' at 72-75%MHR ! I'm hardly even jogging at that percentage. Are you certain of your numbers? That intensity level should be very easy, surely?
Huntsman
Yeah, I'm pretty sure P&D's up to 88% is reserved for the more elite, VERY well trained amongst us.
Unfortunately, I've only ever used HR in training to guestimate my MP pace and used pace in the race itself -which I've been able to sustain for 22 miles at least and only with a small slow-down in the last 4. So I kind of know my pace (when trained), but I'd like to pin that pace down to a MHR%
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Jan 2017
3:50pm, 17 Jan 2017
4,893 posts
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Huntsman
Brunski - somethings not right there. 70-75% MHR is Recovery pace.
When did you last check your Max HR?
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Jan 2017
3:54pm, 17 Jan 2017
230 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
One's average HR for a marathon is going to be higher than that of the pace you set off at even when keeping the pace constant throughout, because of cardiac drift. So I guess if you set off at that average HR you'll be in trouble!
For me, if 84-84% feels the right pace, I'm sure by the end it would end up at 88% (even with constant pace)
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Jan 2017
3:55pm, 17 Jan 2017
4,896 posts
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Huntsman
I'll set the goal pace before the start and then see how it feels on the day.
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Jan 2017
3:57pm, 17 Jan 2017
1,628 posts
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larkim
It does sound to the untrained eye that 200 as a max for Brunski is way off the mark.
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Jan 2017
3:57pm, 17 Jan 2017
231 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
That's what I do. Hopefully 16 weeks of training helps you establish the right pace
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Jan 2017
4:00pm, 17 Jan 2017
1,629 posts
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larkim
...but to continue my last post, perhaps you just have an unsually broad range of HR. Looking at the log there was a 3 miler (parkrun?) on Xmas eve with HR in the high 180s for sub 6 min miling, with 120s in other runs at an easy pace.
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Jan 2017
4:59pm, 17 Jan 2017
139 posts
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Brunski
I'm with you all and if it wasn't me I'd be doubting the figures too...I'm relatively new to running, at least taking it semi-seriously, and I've only really been tracking heart rate properly for about a year or so.
I'm going out for a 7 mile run on Thursday lunch and will this time try to get up to 160-165bpm and see if I can hold it. I can get to 180s or 190s toward the end of a parkrun, and have been higher. But have no idea how people hold 90-95% max for a 5k.
Last week I was holding around 150bpm on my effort session, and knocking out 6-6:30 minute miles (depending on gradient).
None of these sessions are properly rested and I'm not blowing out my rear, but running sub 6:30 miles feels an effort to me and my PBs suggest this should be the case.
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