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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Jan 2017
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Beats per mile is just another way of tracking progress, just like seeing your pace increase at the same consistent HR as you get fitter, or your HR decrease at the same consistent pace.

Obviously if you ran a mile uphill you'll have more beats than if your ran the same route downhill. That's partly why I ran around a flat track. I'll do the same test in similar conditions in 6 weeks.

As with anything to do with HR, there are many influences that can affect it on a day-to-day basis.
Bazoaxe
Bazoaxe
Jan 2017
6:54pm, 16 Jan 2017
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I see consistency in BPM at different effort levels and it improves as fitness (the engine) improves
speedy rob
speedy rob
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I'm new to this forum, and was wondering if anyone could advise in relation to use of heart rate to guage my training for Manchester Marathon (I'm starting week 2 of 12 in the P&D 55-70 mile plan off about 40 miles per week, then 72 & 62 before starting the plan). Yesterday I ran over 8 miles at goal marathon pace (99.5 seconds per lap of the track in lane 2 ~ 6:39 per mile) as part of my 15-miler. My heart rate went from 160 up to 164 BPM, but with HR range of 40 to 180 the books say marathon pace should be below 158 BPM. So... is it reasonable to expect that loosing a couple of kilos and doing another 11 weeks of training will drop my HR by about 6 BPM?
Huntsman
Huntsman
Jan 2017
11:10pm, 16 Jan 2017
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Yes it is.
Huntsman
Huntsman
Jan 2017
11:12pm, 16 Jan 2017
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Although you'd need very good conditioning to hold around a 88% AV HR for a marathon.

Good luck :-)
Dvorak
Dvorak
Jan 2017
11:50pm, 16 Jan 2017
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I make that 6:33 a mile, speedy rob: Second lane is over 407m so your four laps is around 1630m ie a mile and 21m.

That's based on standard IAAF track dimensions which not all adhere to: still, any variation would only be around +/- 3m a mile.

IAAF dimensions: track.isport.com
Lane distance measurer: csgnetwork.com
SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Jan 2017
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Huntsman
What's a realistic ave HR to run a marathon for us non-elites, but quite well trained? I 'feel' min is around 85%
flanker
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Jan 2017
12:43pm, 17 Jan 2017
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During my PB I averaged 152 (84%), settling at 150 after the first couple of miles and drifting to around 157 by mile 25, then through the roof to 175 in mile 26 (97%?!).

That was a cookie of years ago, but does suggest my MaxHR is set a bit low :-)
Huntsman
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Good question SSLHP. I'm aiming for around 85% but only if I've done the mileage I need to do in the build up.

If I tried to average high 80's for the whole marathon I'd be crawling along the floor at some point in the last 10k. Mainly because I'd probably be pushing too hard in the first half.
Dvorak
Dvorak
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1:01pm, 17 Jan 2017
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I was reading something last night about race measurements reading generally higher than you would see in training, but not meaning that you are working harder. The point being that if you run at, say, your training MP 84% ave WHR during a race, you will underperform as that equates to around 80%.

So in flanker's case, those look quite reasonable figures, with a good sprint finish.

Of course, I can't find the article again today (no, it's not in the history).

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach
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