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Jun 2008
11:00am, 9 Jun 2008
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I quite often find it useful to monitor heart rate on recovery runs DavieC
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Jun 2008
1:38pm, 9 Jun 2008
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IanRunner
P&D recommend using a heart monitor for recovery runs, especially when using the post marathon schedule.
Im racing tonight, 5.90 miles. It'll be interesting to see what effect the marathon training has had on me. Its my first shorter distance race since I started P&D and first since the marathon 3 weeks ago.
I always use heart rate apart from racing, might have a look at Daniels training formula, sounds interesting.
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Jun 2008
2:29pm, 9 Jun 2008
201 posts
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Pricey_
I always wear a HRM, but never set target zones on it. I use it for reference only.
Strangely enough though, I use the HRM more in races, to make sure I don't push it too hard. My best races have been where I've paid close attention to HR. My worst races have been where I've ignored HR. I find HR becomes more important when you're racing as it's fine line to stay the correct side of LT for longer races.
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Jun 2008
2:45pm, 9 Jun 2008
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SP interesting. I use it simply for reference these days and to make sure I am in recovery when on a recovery run cos loads of hills round here...
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Jun 2008
2:53pm, 9 Jun 2008
202 posts
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Pricey_
When I say "don't push it too hard", I'm referring to anything 10k or over. Anything less than 10k, it's usually a case of using the HRM to make me work harder. In the past I've had problems with lactate build up in half marathons. The last HM I ran, I used the HRM to keep my heart at 175 (approx LT) throughout the race and ran my best ever race.
Since switching off the target zone alarms I'm much better at gauging "perceived effort". On my long run on Sunday I barely looked at my HRM but my HR was well under control. I can average 7m/m ish quite easily without looking at HRM. When I push into tempo (5:45m/m), I need the HRM to make sure I don't go too hard.
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Jun 2008
4:15pm, 9 Jun 2008
259 posts
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IanRunner
Yes its interesting to see you use it more when racing.
Have you used P&D's half marathon schedule? I should really get their other book as I really enjoyed using Advanced Marathoning for the marathon. I want to do the same sort of mileage but im not sure what speedwork to do and how long the long runs should be.
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Jun 2008
4:42pm, 9 Jun 2008
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Some very interesting posts on this thread. I'm currently reading the P&D book for the 1st time, trying to get things right in my head. With the talk of using a HRM would it be fair to say that a "general aerobic" P&D workout is one done at about 70&maxWHR?
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Jun 2008
4:56pm, 9 Jun 2008
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paul a
I would suggest a look at IanM's advice on page 29, GA runs are variable beasts.
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Jun 2008
4:57pm, 9 Jun 2008
203 posts
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Pricey_
I've got & read their other book and it's good. IMO it could well be titled "Advanced Marathoning - Lite edition" in that it's a shorter, less technical version of AM. An easy read that then gives sample schedules. Not used a schedule from the book but have devised my own schedule based on the theory from the book. Have compared it to the book and it correlates reasonably well, but the one I've created is more "me". My new schedule is based on the fact I enjoyed the marathon training, so I'm doing similar mileage (shorter sunday run with miles made up elsewhere) and more speedwork. Am building up to including a strides, VO2 & LT session every week.
JB > I think we're more or less agreed that general aerobic can be anything from 70% to 80% WHR. <70% is recovery.
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Jun 2008
5:33pm, 9 Jun 2008
2,420 posts
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Pammie
Road Racing for Serious Runners
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Sub 3.05 Marathon Plan / Advise - Help please
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