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Oct 2010
5:03pm, 13 Oct 2010
1,165 posts
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GlennR
I think it shows that training slow doesn't impede race performance.
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Oct 2010
5:35pm, 13 Oct 2010
12,295 posts
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SPR™
Unless he would have been faster with some faster paced sessions...
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Oct 2010
7:53am, 14 Oct 2010
38,225 posts
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Gobi
Glenn - I think there is a point where you need speedwork, most people are too impatient and rush to add speed believing it is the fix for everything.
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Oct 2010
8:02am, 14 Oct 2010
2,847 posts
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LouLou
got the Parker book now - seems a little too good to be true in their introduction... is 4 weeks really enough of a trial?
Aiming to try and do max HR test next week and get properly started - still seeing some higher than expected HRs for runs so probably still in marathon recovery time..
think the hardest part for me will be having the discipline to do this. NEarly cracked on Sunday - 12miles at 9.09min/mile average - seems strange running over 2minutes slower than marathon pace and almost 3 minutes slower than 5k pace.
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Oct 2010
8:14am, 14 Oct 2010
12,296 posts
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SPR™
You looked at Hadd LouLou? With the miles you're doing might be good for you.
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Oct 2010
8:15am, 14 Oct 2010
38,226 posts
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Gobi
LOL LouLou
I run 2 mins slower than marathon pace most of the time.(Rebuilding base after injury)
My 5km pace has started coming back down
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Oct 2010
8:29am, 14 Oct 2010
2,848 posts
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LouLou
Fair enough Gobi - I do accept I probably run a lot of miles faster than I should when I look at things like McMillan calculators (although accepting they're not without problems)
Spr - looked at HAdd in June 2008 and gave it a very half baked attempt - will read it again. Understand the prinsiples.. its putting them into practice thats the problem!
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Oct 2010
8:33am, 14 Oct 2010
38,229 posts
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Gobi
LouLou - I work across pace charts and HR depending on the time of year.
Winter is Heart Rate for base, when I get serious I go back to the pace charts and cross reference them with Heart Rate.
Running faster than you need to do just compromises the quality sessions
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Oct 2010
8:39am, 14 Oct 2010
2,849 posts
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LouLou
I've certainly seen that in recent months - I've only recently done consistent tempo runs and more progressive long runs before Berlin marathon and feel that by doing recovery runs properly I'd be able to improve on these sessions. I really feel with the training I can go sub 3hr at the marathon which is my main aim at present - and if Hr training facilitates that then I'll do it.
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Oct 2010
8:59am, 14 Oct 2010
38,232 posts
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Gobi
LouLou
seems to me that any mechanism that will make you train slower in the non key sessions :¬)
Your numbers say sub3 is more than attainable
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