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Jul 2007
10:48pm, 25 Jul 2007
8,208 posts
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Hendo
Cat - I haven't read all that science stuff, I just know it exists. I aint even gonna try to read it.
What I do know is that i train 99% at 70% of WHR, which can be as slow as 10:30 minute miles.
My half marathon PB is as near as damn it 8 minute miles. No speed training.
I can run 40 odd mile weeks with minimal fatigue and no injuries.
That's evidence enough for me!
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Jul 2007
10:50pm, 25 Jul 2007
8,209 posts
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Hendo
Yeah JB that one on RW kind of lost me after a bit! Perhaps Caterpillar should have a read of that?!
I was in a situation where I bought a 305 and just had a load of numbers thrown at me that meant nothing, 18 months later they mean a wee bit more 
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Jul 2007
10:53pm, 25 Jul 2007
3,970 posts
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LOL Hendo
- I know what you mean
- the RW thread kind of got a wee bit heavy - still it gave me an introduction to the concept - I read the Compleat Idiots book and, imho, I made an informed decision re the approach - and, as I've said numerous times before, I'm sure it has worked for me! Each to there own though
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Jul 2007
10:58pm, 25 Jul 2007
1,859 posts
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Caterpillar
Ah hah, Hendo. I think 40 miles in a week is probably the key to your success. I dream of such things. My goal is to run 40 miles a month, since that's about as much as I have time for.
The message that more training means more fitness is fairly uncontroversial. Not even an argumentative caterpillar is going to disagree with that.
Just that the heart rate enthusiasts seem to be arguing for less training. Well, lower intensity than might be within your capabilities anyway.
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Jul 2007
11:04pm, 25 Jul 2007
8,210 posts
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Hendo
I see where you're coming from but I'm not so sure - if I was running in the "grey area" I would burn out or get injured or ill. I know this because it used to happen to me all the time.
HR training will not be as effective for low mileage routines, but it will still work.
Anyway, having been reminded of that RW thread I had a quick look at it just now and found this post from me - dated 11 May 2006:
"This doesn't get any easier does it? Just did another "70%" run, 4.5 miles av pace 10:57!!! Hell, even those assisted by zimmer frames were striding past me. Tis a bit hot I spose but blinkin flip!
Keep going Hendo, keep going...."
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Jul 2007
7:22am, 26 Jul 2007
9,426 posts
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Before I started using my HRM to make sure I wasn't training too hard I struggled to train more than 20 miles per week and was frequently injured. SInce using the hard easy approach and not just relying on perceived effort I have been able to train up to 70 miles per week with no fatigue or injury. The fact is I would not have been able to get up to these volumes of training if I had not used my HRM. I do believe that training at lower intensity on longer runs builds endurance. I also believe that training hard inintervals and tempo runs builds speed but probably erodes endurance thus I have to train at both ends of the spectrum to gain speed and endurance.
I am not a scientist and have not read all the science behind this but as I see it, the Parker way is just a simpler way of using a heart rate monitor to train more effectively.
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Jul 2007
8:13am, 26 Jul 2007
749 posts
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Girlie
Hendo, that quote from your post in 2006 gives us down the back of the pack slightly more hope!
I remain to be convinced that this will make me a faster runner, however I have noticed that I am in better condition after an LSR and it has given me the discipline to run slowly, whereas before I just wasn't doing it, which in turn caused my injury.
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Jul 2007
8:30am, 26 Jul 2007
9,427 posts
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That's the spirit Girlie. Yes I believe it helps runners to discipline their training by giving them 'permission' to run slowly when they need to in order to recover and thus gain the maximum benefit from their training. Even using this approach and doing NO speed training whatsoever helps people become better runners because they can simply run more often for longer which builds their fitness and endurance base.
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Jul 2007
8:31am, 26 Jul 2007
8,988 posts
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runnerbean
i like the idea of HR traing but i have hills al over where i live and after 2 sessions i gave up as i had to walk most of it to keep HR down, these hills are BIG.:-(
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Jul 2007
8:39am, 26 Jul 2007
9,429 posts
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I have hills all over the place where I live too. I can run up any of them whilst keeping my HR < 70%WHR though.
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