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Apr 2008
11:10am, 23 Apr 2008
3,345 posts
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hellen
I read somewhere about a week ago that someone used it and took 10mins off between rome and london flanks.
still going for sub 4 on sun?
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Apr 2008
11:38am, 23 Apr 2008
8,080 posts
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flanker
that's the plan. fingers crossed...
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Apr 2008
11:46am, 23 Apr 2008
198 posts
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Oooh, I've just found this thread too. Shall read it properly a bit later 
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May 2008
11:26am, 2 May 2008
219 posts
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Well my P&D book finally arrived in the post, and I've spent the last week reading, thinking and designing very pretty training plans (but doing very little running!).
I see some of you above talking about the races followed immediately by the Long Run. Do you think it's completely necessary to have these on consecutive days? Like you say races are often on Sundays, and I have Tuesdays off work, so that'd be a good day to the long runs.
In a way I found it quite against the general philosophy of the book, which was always to ensure adequate rest in order to make the most of the key sessions.
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May 2008
11:38am, 2 May 2008
518 posts
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Impossible is Nothing
Not at all necessary to have them on consecutive days IMHO
It is worth remembering though that you need to have long runs where the pace is fatiguing in the latter part to cope with the end of a marathon (bitter experience speaking here :-)). A long run (not at too easy a pace) the day after a 10km race may be one way of achieving this, but not as good as a progressive run where the last bit is MP or faster.
2 hard days in a row are OK provided you are sensible after them (the pain of the first hard session normally peaks 2 days after not the day after).
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May 2008
11:39am, 2 May 2008
3,472 posts
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hellen
I didnt do the races Juicer cos of finding them but also I got quite tierd near the end of the schedule so felt it would be too much. Instead I did a PMP run as I felt they were lacking but I didnt do it the day before the LSR.
doing a race on sun and LSR on tues sounds ideal
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May 2008
11:44am, 2 May 2008
18 posts
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brighton belle
I did a 10k race last Sunday followed by my long of 18M first thing (5am) Monday morning and found it okay. The biggest benefit for was the mental boost it gave me. I've been struggling in the last couple of weeks feeling very tired and it gave me a bit of a lift but I didn't really notice tired legs when I did my long run
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May 2008
11:54am, 2 May 2008
208 posts
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IanRunner
I did a 10k time trial instead of a race the day before a 17 miler. I was quite pleased with the pace for the 17 miles but my legs felt quite tired, felt I could go faster but the legs werent having it. It does help your confidence, knowing you can run 17 miles at a decent pace the day after a 10k.
At the same time the 10k time trial probably wasnt as hard as a proper race, although I did get a new pb. Im doing the same this weekend, either a 8 or 10k time trial, havent decided yet, then 16 miles. Some taper!
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May 2008
11:58am, 2 May 2008
220 posts
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Golly, this is going to be a hard training programme! I think I may try to swap the day off at work for one of the weeks, and do them consecutively once. But will take the day in between for the other two.
I have certainly never trained like this before. I've never done 50-55 miles a week, or focused so much on speedwork. It will be interesting to see whether I can handle it. I'll really have to make sure the recovery runs really ARE.
I'm doing a 10k next week after no relevant training - so will be very interesting when I do another in September after all that speed training
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May 2008
12:06pm, 2 May 2008
519 posts
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Impossible is Nothing
Nothing easy is worth getting
In terms of tiredness, the P&D plan uses: the long run (as I said before not always done at an easy pace sometimes with MP included), a tempo/threshold run, a medium-long run, long intervals, strides, easy runs. I would place the sessions in that order of importance (controversially perhaps) and would suggest you use that order when deciding what sessions you can miss in any given week when you just can't take it anymore!
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