Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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8:18am, 6 Aug 2024
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larkim
Too many issues uncertain here to see clearly.

If the boxers are DSD athletes, then competitive fairness and safety is at stake.

But we simply don't know, because of reasons of personal medical privacy, dodgy international sporting organisations etc.

The phrases "assigned female at birth and identified as female on documents" etc annoys me because it potentially ignores a sporting reality, that if practitioners got the birth identification "wrong" and these are in fact XY people with DSD who have "male" strength and developmental advantages. I wonder if the use of that slightly ambiguous phrase is disguising the fact that there are chromosomal issues at play here, but the absence of an agreed and definitive test is allowing the uncertainty to persist?
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8:30am, 6 Aug 2024
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fetcheveryone
It's my understanding that this thread is here to support non-elite people find ways to get involved in, and feel accepted and safe, whilst participating in exercise and sport.

Discussion about the rights and wrongs of policies in high level sport might be better suited to either the Transgender Athletes thread: fetcheveryone.com/forum/transgender-athletes-60992/ or maybe the Olympics Paris 2024 thread: fetcheveryone.com/forum/olympics-paris-2024-62931/
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8:38am, 6 Aug 2024
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larkim
Oops, my bad!! Ta!
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8:01pm, 6 Aug 2024
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Joopsy
Thanks Fetch and apologies.

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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