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Aug 2008
5:00pm, 30 Aug 2008
1,140 posts
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paul a
That is correct, P&D assume correctly that LSRs make long slow runners.
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Aug 2008
5:13pm, 30 Aug 2008
541 posts
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Tinytia
I realize that no schedule should be 'set in stone' and that one run isn't gonna blow my training but knowing when to adapt training can be difficult to see unless you step back, take an overall view and also see how other folk have dealt with training.
Thanks for all your comments 
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Aug 2008
5:32pm, 30 Aug 2008
14,937 posts
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Paul, it all depends upon what the definition of slow is though. Lots of folk tend to get stuck in the one pace pony rut though which doesn't help.
I mix it up but long slow runs aren't a bad thing just so long as you don't do all your runs like that. Similarly I wouldn't suggest anyone do all of their long runs at PMP either.
I've seen great benefits on speeding things up a tad though it has to be said. It is easy to end up running too slowly...
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Aug 2008
5:35pm, 30 Aug 2008
14,938 posts
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Tinytia, just don't worry too much about it. Changing the pace of your runs is good for you. If you feel like you need an easier run though there is nowt to stop you doing a long one at 90 seconds slower than PMP so you don't feel knackered for the rest of the week. Lots of it is run how you feel on the day really.
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Aug 2008
5:41pm, 30 Aug 2008
542 posts
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Tinytia
I have been pleasently surprised that on my LSR I have quite happily increased pace as the run progresses, which I was expecting to be harder to do as my long runs pre-P&D when I ran consistant pace throughout.
Ian I have seen comments on other threads from you saying you mix things up quite a bit and have come on leaps and bounds ...so to speak.
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Aug 2008
7:16pm, 30 Aug 2008
14,939 posts
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Tinytia. Yes I tried following a P&D schedulae last year and got injured about a week or so into it. My training was interrupted and remained sporadic for the rest of the year. I ended up doing my own ad-hoc schedule to be honest. I made sure I had all the basics in there but just didn't worry about following any schedule to the letter. The approach has worked very well indeed for me this year. I do need to factor in a few more things (learned from P&D and others) but I am now injured again so it's a good job I'm not following a set schedule! Don't be afraid to change things around, no schedule should be set in stone. I certainly think there is a lot to be said for "keeping the body guessing" to bring about desired training adaptations.
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Aug 2008
7:32pm, 30 Aug 2008
4,086 posts
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hellen
TIn, one thing I felt was lacking when I used P and D for FLM was PMP runs. I didnt do any 10km or similar races but instead slotted a few PMP runs in instead. I still didnt feel I did enough though as on race day I was all over the place and found it hard to know what PMP should be like!!
My PMP was 9.30/mile, I did a few runs of around 4 miles at PMP but always found myself going closer to 9/mile - ooops. I seem to beable to do 9 and 10/mile but nothing inbetween. So if you are like me then practicing PMP will be more valuable than a race.
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Aug 2008
7:47pm, 30 Aug 2008
303 posts
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IanRunner
When I was following the P&D schedule I did a couple of time trials. Mainly because I couldnt find any races to do and wanted to see how I had progressed. On both of the time trials I got pbs. They are definitely much harder to push yourself than a normal race but worth doing if you havent raced for a while.
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Aug 2008
9:31pm, 30 Aug 2008
543 posts
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Tinytia
Hellen- I know what you mean, I feel like I 'should' be doing PMP runs but have been trying to keep faith in the schedule as written, not sure what to do now.
IanRuner- I remember your time trial pbs, they spurred me on today to keep pushing, but just couldn't keep it going!
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Aug 2008
8:04am, 31 Aug 2008
4,898 posts
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Tinytia:
I thought the same - however I think as you develop as a marathon runner over the years you will get much stronger up to the point that you can handle more PMP running during long runs etc.
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