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larkim
larkim
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A quote from elsewhere:-
Everyone remembers the epic duel between Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell when Senna held off the British driver despite a substantial pace and tyre deficit in the closing laps of the 1992 Monaco GP.

That race proved how hard it is to overtake. Another more modern example is the 2015 race when Hamilton was on fresh rubber and in a faster car yet was unable to get past Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel for second place in the final stages of that Grand Prix.

Remarkably, the last on track pass for the lead at Monaco was in 1996 when Damon Hill overtook Jean Alesi. However, Alesi was on wet tyres on a drying track whereas Hill was on slicks.

You have to go back a further nine years to find the next overtake for the lead which was when Senna overtook Mansell in the 1987 Monaco GP at the exit of the Nouvelle Chicane.

The latest on track overtake for the podium came in 2006 when Kimi Raikkonen capitalised on a mistake from Mark Webber to squeeze past on the run up the hill through Beau Rivage.


Twas ever thus!
AndyJ57
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great research larkim
Gobi
Gobi
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7:40pm, 28 May 2024
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Cars have been too big for Monaco since the early 90s
larkim
larkim
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10:55pm, 28 May 2024
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Probably since the 1980s to be fair.
Pothunter
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11:53pm, 28 May 2024
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I hadn’t realised/remembered that they did get narrower (180cm) between 1998 and 2017 having been 210cm before that and now 200cm.

They have however got longer. In 1989 the Ferrari was apparently 4.4m long as opposed to the modern 5.63m max length.

Modern cars are also nearly 300kg heavier. Some of the increase is down to additional safety features (like halo) which you have to say is a good thing, but the hybrid engines, bigger wheels and bigger fuel tanks also add significant weight.
HappyG(rrr)
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7:16am, 29 May 2024
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Great program on ITV 4 - Monaco Historique, beautiful cars from 20s to 70s. And yes, they were able to overtake.

itv.com

:-) G
Pothunter
Pothunter
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7:23am, 29 May 2024
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Just saw this on Threads - caveat: no idea of its accuracy!

Number of overtakes in 🇲🇨 Monaco:
2017: 3
2018: 4
2019: 2

2021: 0
2022: 13
2023: 22
2024: 4
VIA: [gpblog.com]

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