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Agar has a wide backswing and gave it a bloody good wallop. Nothing wrong with that, just not as aesthetically pleasing as watching the likes of David Gower, Mark Waugh and Michael Vaughan in years gone by! Honours even at the end of day two for me, Australia slightly ahead you could argue though. |
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Right... Tests only now Name 50+ Conv Rank SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 119 43% 44 JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 103 44% 49 RT Ponting (AUS) 103 40% 36 R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) 99 36% 27 S Chanderpaul (WI) 96 31% 11 KC Sangakkara (SL) 90 42% 43 AR Border (AUS) 90 30% 9 AN Cook (ENG) 90 37% 30 DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 84 40% 37 BC Lara (ICC/WI) 82 41% 39 SR Waugh (AUS) 82 39% 33 SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 79 43% 46 VVS Laxman (INDIA) 73 23% 2 Inzamam-ul-Haq (ICC/PAK) 71 35% 24 IVA Richards (WI) 69 35% 22 JE Root (ENG) 69 29% 6 HM Amla (SA) 69 41% 38 AB de Villiers (SA) 68 32% 16 IR Bell (ENG) 68 32% 16 ME Waugh (AUS) 67 30% 8 Younis Khan (PAK) 67 51% 53 Javed Miandad (PAK) 66 35% 23 GA Gooch (ENG) 66 30% 10 GC Smith (ICC/SA) 65 42% 40 G Boycott (ENG) 64 34% 21 MA Atherton (ENG) 62 26% 4 MC Cowdrey (ENG) 60 37% 30 AJ Stewart (ENG) 60 25% 3 ML Hayden (AUS) 59 51% 54 MA Taylor (AUS) 59 32% 15 SPD Smith (AUS) 58 47% 52 CH Lloyd (WI) 58 33% 19 KP Pietersen (ENG) 58 40% 35 Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) 57 42% 42 DL Haynes (WI) 57 32% 13 DI Gower (ENG) 57 32% 13 KS Williamson (NZ) 56 43% 44 GS Sobers (WI) 56 46% 51 KF Barrington (ENG) 55 36% 27 GS Chappell (AUS) 55 44% 48 G Kirsten (SA) 55 38% 32 GP Thorpe (ENG) 55 29% 7 V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) 55 42% 41 SP Fleming (NZ) 55 16% 1 MJ Clarke (AUS) 55 51% 55 DA Warner (AUS) 54 44% 50 JL Langer (AUS) 53 43% 47 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 53 36% 25 CG Greenidge (WI) 53 36% 25 DC Boon (AUS) 53 40% 34 L Hutton (ENG) 52 37% 29 CH Gayle (WI) 52 29% 5 DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) 52 33% 18 SC Ganguly (INDIA) 51 31% 12 V Kohli (INDIA) 50 54% 56 Azhar Ali (PAK) 50 34% 20 stats.espncricinfo.com |
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yes, talent yes, propensity to be an arse and get pissed no. Mind you Lamb, Gower, Gatting, Willis wouldn't ever get a game now either...Gooch, Knott would be guaranteed. |
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I cant recall who said this on Sky commentary once, may have been Gower, after a fairly vociferous appeal by Jason Gillespie: 'There is a face only a mother could love.' |
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My first cricket awareness was the Botham “leg over test”. First live cricket match was Hampshire Surrey at May’s bounty, Basingstoke in 1992. wisden.com An amazing line up as a kid with David Gower, Malcolm Marshall, Shaun Udal, Graham Thorpe, Ali Brown, and the Bicknell brothers. And er... Mark Nicholas... |
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1st Feb 2021 |
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Used to head off to Grace Rd for final couple of hours of championship play after school as a teenager in the mid-70s. No longer got it but I got David Gower's autograph on a scorecard when he was an unknown 2nd XI player  |
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Gower was another, as is my son. I read a piece in one of the cricket magazines decades ago, arguing that what we call right-handed batting is actually left-handed, as if done properly the dominant hand should be the top hand, providing the skill element rather than the power. |
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Name 50+ inns conv rank AN Cook 90 37% 25 JE Root 69 29% 9 IR Bell 68 32% 16 GA Gooch 66 30% 12 G Boycott 64 34% 20 MA Atherton 62 26% 7 MC Cowdrey 60 37% 25 AJ Stewart 60 25% 5 KP Pietersen 58 40% 30 DI Gower 57 32% 14 KF Barrington 55 36% 23 GP Thorpe 55 29% 10 L Hutton 52 37% 24 AJ Strauss 48 44% 32 N Hussain 47 30% 11 WR Hammond 46 48% 34 DCS Compton 45 38% 28 JB Hobbs 43 35% 21 ME Trescothick 43 33% 17 H Sutcliffe 39 41% 31 RA Smith 37 24% 4 ER Dexter 36 25% 5 JH Edrich 36 33% 18 MP Vaughan 36 50% 35 IT Botham 36 39% 29 PBH May 35 37% 27 MJ Prior 35 20% 3 APE Knott 35 14% 1 BA Stokes 32 31% 13 AJ Lamb 32 44% 32 TW Graveney 31 35% 22 A Flintoff 31 16% 2 MA Butcher 31 26% 7 MW Gatting 31 32% 15 PD Collingwood 30 33% 18 |
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Last long hard to read table after rf_fozzy's observation... If sorted it by 100+ scores and Bradman rightfully gets top spot by a mile. Interestingly, Root has the worst conversion rate of anyone who has scored at least 18 centuries. Name 100+ Conv Rank SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 51 43% 37 JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 45 44% 42 RT Ponting (AUS) 41 40% 29 KC Sangakkara (SL) 38 42% 36 R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) 36 36% 18 Younis Khan (PAK) 34 51% 51 SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 34 43% 39 BC Lara (ICC/WI) 34 41% 32 DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 34 40% 30 AN Cook (ENG) 33 37% 21 SR Waugh (AUS) 32 39% 24 ML Hayden (AUS) 30 51% 52 S Chanderpaul (WI) 30 31% 5 DG Bradman (AUS) 29 69% 56 MJ Clarke (AUS) 28 51% 53 HM Amla (SA) 28 41% 31 SPD Smith (AUS) 27 47% 46 V Kohli (INDIA) 27 54% 55 GC Smith (ICC/SA) 27 42% 33 AR Border (AUS) 27 30% 3 GS Sobers (WI) 26 46% 45 Inzamam-ul-Haq (ICC/PAK) 25 35% 15 KS Williamson (NZ) 24 43% 37 GS Chappell (AUS) 24 44% 41 Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) 24 42% 35 DA Warner (AUS) 24 44% 44 IVA Richards (WI) 24 35% 13 V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) 23 42% 34 KP Pietersen (ENG) 23 40% 28 JL Langer (AUS) 23 43% 40 Javed Miandad (PAK) 23 35% 14 WR Hammond (ENG) 22 48% 49 M Azharuddin (INDIA) 22 51% 54 MC Cowdrey (ENG) 22 37% 21 AB de Villiers (SA) 22 32% 9 G Boycott (ENG) 22 34% 12 IR Bell (ENG) 22 32% 9 RN Harvey (AUS) 21 47% 47 G Kirsten (SA) 21 38% 23 AJ Strauss (ENG) 21 44% 43 DC Boon (AUS) 21 40% 27 KF Barrington (ENG) 20 36% 18 PA de Silva (SL) 20 48% 48 JE Root (ENG) 20 29% 1 ME Waugh (AUS) 20 30% 2 GA Gooch (ENG) 20 30% 4 MEK Hussey (AUS) 19 40% 26 L Hutton (ENG) 19 37% 20 CH Lloyd (WI) 19 33% 11 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 19 36% 16 CG Greenidge (WI) 19 36% 16 MA Taylor (AUS) 19 32% 8 CA Pujara (INDIA) 18 39% 25 MP Vaughan (ENG) 18 50% 50 DL Haynes (WI) 18 32% 6 DI Gower (ENG) 18 32% 6 |
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I have another. Not on telly but it sticks in my head. headingly, 1984 v WI, West Stand, Gower dropped a catch off of Pringle. Some wit shouted rather vehemently, 'You soft Southern bastards' |
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God Rest Ye Merry Pothunter |
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Root is first player born in the 1990s to play 100 tests. Previous decades: 1930s: Colin Cowdrey 1940s: Geoff Boycott 1950s: David Gower 1960s: David Boon 1970s: Sachin Tendulkar 1980s: Graeme Smith 1990s: Joe Root |
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Ocelot Spleens |
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Gower...he should be in....Rhodesian born. |
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Oscar the Grouch |
26th Feb 2021 |
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24th Feb apparently. Call yourself a fan? I'm actually a tiny bit young to remember him with any fondness but I have visions of a Goweresque right hander |
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Derek Randall as a right handed Gower. Maybe as a fielder (the best I remember from the 70s and 80s). At the crease think more Dustin Hoffman in Rainman. |
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Goweresque waft |
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I was flicking through channels at the weekend in a moment of boredom and cam across highlights from a test in the 1986/7 ashes. It was funny watching cricket as it used to be with little use of helmets, gatting getting out early doors, gower playing some lovely shots and botham smashing a 6 before being caught. |
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Oscar the Grouch |
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Ah yes, good points. Pringle, Lamb, Botham, Gower, de Freitas, Fowler, Broad C. Gatt has been named as the roller. |
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Oscar the Grouch |
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In all seriousness, it is in the Test arena where strengths become weaknesses. Note the plan to the Sri Lankan opener where they targeted the hips and put a leg gully in. I would think he has scored hundreds of runs through there without ever thinking about it. Remember Graham Gooch vs Terry Alderman and the falling over the front leg. what had been a huge strength became a weakness... Oh and DI Gower flirting with anything in the cover drive/slip region |
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Sad indeed.... I think mine was 2005....Jones' catch off of Harmison when it looked like it was lost...the 2019 worldie was a great day, all day. Maybe Harmison hitting Ponting, Hayden, Langer again 2005. Maybe Gower's first ball ever v Pakistan Maybe Kapil Dev's 4 sixes to save the follow on Maybe John Arlott pissed up on telly the day he retired |
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I shouldn't think D.I. Gower's laconic style has changed with age either so we have a number 3. |
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Gooch was quite good wasn't he....apart from being a wet fish, tactically staid AND GETTING RID OF GOWER 2 YEARS TOO SOON.... |
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6th Sep 2019 |
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I could listen to Gower, Botham and Warne chewing the fat all day. Highly entertaining 😀 |
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I think planners in London like Cardiff because it is straight down the M4 and so it feels to them as if it is easy to get to. But you're right, OtG, Taunton is a fine venue. *Goes away to reminisce about watching Gower's 130 against Sri Lanka in the 1983 WC* |
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I think my first sporting hero would be Arsenal footballer Liam Brady....cricket probably Gower. |
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The death of initials in cricket is one of the great regressions of life. D.I.Gower A.J.Lamb I.T.Botham And...RGD (I think there may even be a B as well?) Willis... he added Dylan in homage |
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Just read that, TRO. Didn't realise he was ill. I suspect he was England skipper when I first started watching cricket, although I didn't really pay attention until the Gower era... |
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I remember sitting at Grace Rd in my teens and getting the autograph of a young 2nd XI player who looked two or three years older than me. He was a blond curly haired chap - wonder what happened to him. Can't be any connection to that David Gower chap who's now in his sixties surely. I mean what age would that make me? |
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He didn't need a helmet, the ball would have slowed down considerably after cracking the batsmans ribs, and consequently been a dolly. I gave up on those BBC things, I saw the cover drive one, no Gower. Ridiculous. Vincent Van Der Bijl, he was a 'unit' and a half. RoW. |
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Gower! Root has 27 test wickets! He should bowl more, probably in the innings just after he's coughed up his wicket when well set. |
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Gower play in the 21st Century? Headlines misleading? What's new? Who know's why the chose this time period but the criticisms of inclusions should at least deal with the time period it's based on. |
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Harmison for the bowling one...over there in the WI? Very good fetch, I think I remember it for Gower and was surprised to see Gooch's score! |
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Biggest innings I saw was DI Gower’s 215 vs Australia, Edgbaston 1985. It was a thing of graceful beauty. Me and a mate drove up for the 5 days, we lived in his Vauxhall Viva as there was no way we were lashing out on a Hotel. We nearly got nicked for Vagrancy at one point, and also got chased round the Bull Ring by some skinheads. A great test match and fun times. |
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I have a terrible feeling Gower is quite low, he got some big scores, and lots of starts |
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The list in full, from 28 down to 1: 28 JM Bairstow 20.50 27 GA Hick 19.00 26 MJ Prior 17.57 25 MA Butcher 16.38 24 AJ Stewart 15.67 23 MW Gatting 13.80 22 KWR Fletcher 13.71 21 MA Atherton 13.25 20 RA Smith 12.44 19 N Hussain 12.21 18 BA Stokes 11.90 17 IT Botham 11.50 16 PD Collingwood 11.50 15 DI Gower 11.33 14 DW Randall 11.29 13 GP Thorpe 11.19 12 GA Gooch 10.75 11 IJL Trott 10.33 10 ME Trescothick 10.21 9 JE Root 10.06 8 AJ Lamb 9.93 7 IR Bell 9.32 6 AN Cook 8.82 5 G Boycott 8.77 4 AJ Strauss 8.48 3 MP Vaughan 8.17 2 KP Pietersen 7.87 1 BC Broad 7.33 |
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I think Gower gets a look in for Leicestershire..... |
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If I'm asked to remember cricket in the late 80s, I should remember Miandad and Hadlee on tour here, Gatting and Gower, the summer of four captains, the declining Botham... ... but no, the image that comes to mind is Tony Lewis on BBC2: "It's pissing down at Trent Bridge: here's Chris Old and Mike Hendrick bowling to a pair of Chappells". |
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The number of wickets that were caught behind. It was like watching a team of David Gowers. Was the match lost at the toss, England's first innings, or second innings collapse? Or simply that Australia were better in all departments. |
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If England win this game, they don't need Anderson, especially with his current injury record. D.I.Gower, made some awful decisions, but also had to captain crap teams against good ones. |
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I wanted to ask a question to the thread. I get the feeling that many participants are of the opinion that our Test Match players get it wrong more often than they get it right. So... think back... name the years (if any) since you started watching cricket where you reached the end of the season and felt that the team played consistently well and were worthy of your praise. Obviously (and unfortunately) this question is skewed towards the men's team, because of the sparsity of women's Test cricket but that's no reason not to big up the women's best years too |
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The second is probably Dhoni I have an idea it's a really good batsman Gower got, Martin Crowe? |
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Cerrertonia |
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Didn't Gower get pinged by the umpire for throwing in a test against NZ - he deliberately threw it when NZ needed a run to win. |
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I just googled Gower, so I know, he did throw a 4 to lose a game, Martin Crowe was batting then. I am happier about my 0% now. |
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By that time Gower didn't throw in the field, did he? Due to a dodgy shoulder. Maybe a bowling action was too painful? |
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Must confess that I hated fielding long on/off, deep fine leg or third man. Simply because I couldn't throw any great distance like Mr Gower. |
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I don't think it's a case that they are not worthy of praise at all, Fetch. A couple of things. 1. I genuinely can't remember each year, but oftenthrough the 80's and 90's, we weren't very good or playing a vastly superior opposition (West Indies 84 and 88, Australia through the 90s and 2001). 2. I don't remember individual years in the 2000s, so 2005 stands out for obvious reasons. 3. Criticism of the current team is because they had done the hard work at 180-1. Knock the ball around the wide open spaces for another 90 minutes and come back in a position of strength at 270-2, with an old ball and a depleted attack. Play the situation a bit more, because the talent is clearly there. THAT is the frustration. It was tailor-made for Root to be Root yesterday.... but equally, that's sport. The opposition are entitled to either play well or lay down challenges for you to overcome - or not! Oh - and the majority of us have a vast catalogue of grumpy old men memories, which prevail far more than the glorious days of Gower and Robinson flogging the Aussies in 1985, nearly 40 years ago... |
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I once got David Gower's autograph down at Grace Rd when he was still a 2nd XI player |