11:39am
11:39am, 11 Dec 2024
11,900 posts
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Fields
More austerity given the government pay recommendations for next year, this coupled with cuts, but the work doesn’t go away I think I will be voting to reject and strike. Labour hate the public sector and are ideologically committed to reducing it. They seem keen to create the conditions that make CEOs political targets. |
11:47am
11:47am, 11 Dec 2024
26,294 posts
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larkim
Labour do not "hate the public sector". They may not be being as generous with it as you would like, but it's daft to say they hate it. It's a fundamental pillar of this government. Should teachers be getting more than 2.8%? The pay review body will have a view. When school teachers this year got 5.5%, teachers in the FE sector got no help from the government at all, so the gap between FE and mainstream schooling has widened again. Maybe keeping the teachers pay uplift limited to inflation will provide wiggle room for funding FE better? |
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11:55am
11:55am, 11 Dec 2024
11,901 posts
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Fields
Do you realise that in many parts of the public sector in the lower grades the pay bands have become very compressed and some are being eroded as the NLW grows two or three times more than pay awards? The inflation rate is totally false and does not reflect lived experience of working class people. Something the elite politicians, economists and business types - as well as yourself larkim - know nothing about |
11:59am
11:59am, 11 Dec 2024
28,566 posts
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TROSaracen
Happy to do that Larkim - why don't you come up with the sleaze of the first 150 days of the 14 year Tory government and we can compare. As it was a coalition you have effectively two leaders, and two parties it's arguably double the opportunities so it should be a comfortable win 
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12:02pm
12:02pm, 11 Dec 2024
11,446 posts
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Ally-C
richmachristmas wrote: Of concern as well - Israel striking targets of the largely temporarily military - including sinking most of it's navy & no one is calling them out on this ? It's open aggression toward a country isn't a threat. It's also just storing up resentment towards themselves. They’ve had free rein on the Gaza genocide so far. So it’s nae surprise. |
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3:03pm
3:03pm, 11 Dec 2024
26,296 posts
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larkim
Fields wrote: Do you realise that in many parts of the public sector in the lower grades the pay bands have become very compressed and some are being eroded as the NLW grows two or three times more than pay awards? The inflation rate is totally false and does not reflect lived experience of working class people. Something the elite politicians, economists and business types - as well as yourself larkim - know nothing about I'm absolutely well aware of it, it is a massive issue in the organisation I'm part of. And getting more and more challenging. For the organisation I work in, after being compelled to pay the NLW increases (which I think are 100% right), we are then on the receiving end of central govt funding settlements which do not give us any capacity to keep the gaps consistent for the other grades of staff. |
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5:15pm
5:15pm, 11 Dec 2024
26,297 posts
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larkim
Whilst increasing the pay for the lowest pay is absolutely correct, this chart shows how the compression into other pay brackets has occurred, at least in part. NLW has outstripped inflation. In real terms, the main rate back in 1999 is now "worth" about £6.75 per hour and is now at £11.44. (The absolute rate in 1999 was £3.60 per hour). So a worker on NMW back in 1999 who has stayed in that role and is now paid NLW has a wage which is nearly 70% higher in real terms. The fact that too many people were far too poorly paid in 1999 is a fact. But equally, for everyone on wages above that minimum salary bands have compressed. So roles which were significantly above the "minimum" in 1999 are now closer to those lower-valued roles. And whether those roles economically justify that higher status above the NLW is different in every case. Should a first level admin officer be paid any more than a cleaner? Personally, I don't think one role necessarily has any greater intrinsic value than another, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when that admin officer discovers they are being paid at the same rate as a cleaner they see that as evidence for them "deserving" a pay rise; and then when that role gets inflated in response, then next tier in the pay scales makes the demand, and the next and the next; and if we increase those roles in line with the increases in NLW which are creating real terms rises in wages, we are putting a huge pressure on a lot of organisations that have pretty limited capability to increase incomes. And whilst my moral compass says all roles should be at the very least on the same real terms wages (or higher) when compared to history, the uncomfortable reality is that the economy at the moment cannot sustain that, either by putting enough tax revenue into central government coffers to fund those salaries in and around the public sector, or through increasing more borrowing. |
5:46pm
5:46pm, 11 Dec 2024
7,116 posts
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paulcook
The fact that too many people were far too poorly paid in 1999 is a fact. My first job - summer job before starting University - was weeks after Blair won in 1997 but before MW. I was paid £2.50 per hour. Sounds frightening to think of now how little I was paid for 40 hours per week. Suppose it kept me out of mischief before I really got into mischief. |
6:16pm
6:16pm, 11 Dec 2024
22,502 posts
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Chrisull
theguardian.com Attacking the civil servants, where have we heard this before? Oh wait ... the last government. |
6:50pm
6:50pm, 11 Dec 2024
18,240 posts
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jdawayinamanger
That looks very much like a Govt-instigated “managed decline”. Oooh I must be a Tory for daring to point that out.
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