Jul 2022
8:20am, 9 Jul 2022
37,377 posts
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SPR
PR can't come soon enough. Then parties will have to appeal to their voters rather than say we're your only choice.
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Jul 2022
8:42am, 9 Jul 2022
12,942 posts
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jda
You can’t know how sellable SM is as a policy without trying. Note, that despite absolute rock-solid pro-Brexit rhetoric from the leadership of both parties, opinion polls show a clear drift in the opposite direction. This fantasy that he’s pro-EU, just heading in completely the wrong direction for years on end as some Machiavellian long game…how’s that working out for you? |
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Jul 2022
8:44am, 9 Jul 2022
12,943 posts
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jda
Fozzy, if you’ve fallen for the fantasy that Brexit would be fine if only it was a better labour unicorn Brexit then…I’m surprised.
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Jul 2022
8:44am, 9 Jul 2022
27,749 posts
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Johnny Blaze
My problem with Starmer isn’t that he is boring, it’s that he is cowardly and dishonest. I wouldn't say that stating he would resign if he got a FPN was cowardly or dishonest, would you? Putting your future career on the line like that showed bravery and integrity, did it not? Contrast that to Bozo, who could have been filmed at a lockdown party licking Chablis off Robert Jenrick's tits and he still wouldn't have resigned. Sunak also put his career before principle and stayed on. He'll surely pay for that now. The Tories need to be ejected. That's priority one. Sorting Brexit out will take years of a gradualist approach and now isn't the time to gift the Tories another term by adopting a stance that will halve the Labour lead overnight. Pragmatism is always bloody awkward but that's what adults have to do sometimes. |
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Jul 2022
8:47am, 9 Jul 2022
12,944 posts
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jda
I didn’t say he was cowardly and dishonest in every single aspect of his life and every thing he has ever said. Just the most important policy issue of the day. |
Jul 2022
8:48am, 9 Jul 2022
1,150 posts
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fuzzyduck79
“I never thought they would continue eating my face” says man who voted for party that campaigned on “Let’s make face eating leopards work” “I just thought he would see that the leopards were a problem and do something later. I know he was asked countless time for his thoughts on leopards and refused to say anything against them but I thought that meant he had a secret cunning plan for the leopards.” |
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Jul 2022
8:53am, 9 Jul 2022
3,213 posts
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JRitchie
Are we ready for Rishi? He’s clearly put a lot of his wife’s fortune to fund this campaign vid. Website registered December 2021 I read. Curious. ready4rishi.com |
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Jul 2022
8:55am, 9 Jul 2022
27,750 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I remember standing in London listening to Starmer support the people's vote for the Brexit deal. He got the biggest cheer of the day. I'd say that was very much a brave thing to do given the tide that was running at the time and that Corbyn couldn't be arsed to even turn up. I have no doubt in my mind that he believes in a stronger relationship with the EU and would probably like to get back into CM/SU in some form, but political considerations mean he has to take a more pragmatic stance. SM/CU may eventually come, but the timing isn't right to open up the old wounds and divisions and hand the Tories another term. Achieving power is a key step to making the country a better place to live and work in, and that's what he is focused on. Remain purists can vote Lib Dem if they want, but if you live in a Tory/Lab marginal and you vote LD you might as well hand the Tories the keys back to Number Ten. |
Jul 2022
9:10am, 9 Jul 2022
17,535 posts
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rf_fozzy
Jda. No. And frankly saying that makes you sound ridiculous. My stance on brexit has been unequivocal and clear. There is no "good" Brexit. But I am pragmatic and realistic enough to know that this is politics and you actually have to win an election to be able to exercise the power. Otherwise you might as well but into the lexit delusion. |
Jul 2022
9:15am, 9 Jul 2022
19,365 posts
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Chrisull
But Starmer is risking all the same mistakes Miliband made, signing up to policies (like the windfall tax on energy companies), the Tories can simply pilfer closer to the time and actually be more aggressive about them. (Remember Osborne outflanking Ed on minimum wage - Ed called for £8, Osborne went to £9) The line on energy bills/energy firms now has to be nationalise. Look Macron has finally fully nationalised EDF, and the energy bills are capped at 4% rise. Macron so left wing he's done a deal with Le Pen rather than the left to prop up his government. Here Martin Lewis is saying that if you're paying 100 pounds a month currently, by January for the same usage, you will be paying 170 pounds a month. Starmer is a lawyer, you just have listen to your running club standing around discussing politics (here in Cornwall with 6 Tory mps) to know he isn't cutting through enough in constituencies that a) he should be and b) he can. Large amounts of working class vote here, completely turned off by him. They don't like Johnson, but they don't like him either and forgotten the Lib Dems even exist now. |
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