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K5 Gus
K5 Gus
Oct 2022
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K5 Gus
The formula for MHR doesn't work for anyone, male or female - it's just an approximation.

Getting your heart rate up to it's maximum is the only way to know your MHR. Hill reps are better than intervals
Rosehip
Rosehip
Oct 2022
4:48pm, 23 Oct 2022
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Rosehip
The newer watches do something clever with your hr at sub-maximal levels and work out a max for you.
Garmin thinks mine is about 177, the high I found and used ~8 years ago was 186. 220- age would give me 162, so it’s not just doing that.
I keep meaning to do the threshold test that my garmin has programmed in, but never seem to get around to it
Rosehip
Rosehip
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4:49pm, 23 Oct 2022
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Rosehip
^that should have started with *I think*. - as it’s come up withthe number from somewhere
phal
phal
Oct 2022
5:03pm, 23 Oct 2022
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phal
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Steve NordRunner
Steve NordRunner
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5:04pm, 23 Oct 2022
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The best way forward, then, since you want to start training, is get the fundamentals in place, which will get you close, then do any «tweaking» as and when you find some evidence that it would be helpful. (There is no consensus view that there has been a bias that means these fundamentals are so way off that you can't make a start.) These would be: get your max HR as suggested, not an estimate from an equation, find out lactate threshold, for example, from a test administered by the watch, optionally find a reasonable resting HR, e.g., by wearing your watch while sleeping, averaged over 7 days.

Then you know enough to implement a training regime such as 80/20, where you spend most time doing easy, a bit of time hard, and reduce the middle. Getting this stuff close to right will get you a long way to being able to train towards your full potential, IMHO. Good luck!
Bowman 🇸🇪
Bowman 🇸🇪
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5:06pm, 23 Oct 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Its not that the MHR formulas doesn’t work, its that they are made for/ calculated for a population not an individual. It’s just statistics.
TeeBee
TeeBee
Oct 2022
6:33pm, 23 Oct 2022
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Going all invisible women here - it would be interesting to know to what extent female athletes are/have been included when underlying assumptions around HR training are developed .

Just for example - does the calculation of the lactate threshold work the same way in males and females? Has this been demonstrated?

I'm not saying it does differ or even could - I'm mentioning it because there have been numerous examples recently of protocols developed largely on male population then applied to women, assuming that they work the same way (see heart attack symptoms, concussion etc).

I took Phal's original query to relate to that issue. And if be interested in knowing more about that.
TeeBee
TeeBee
Oct 2022
6:36pm, 23 Oct 2022
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TeeBee
(I'd be interested)
J2R
J2R
Oct 2022
6:36pm, 23 Oct 2022
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J2R
I hope the optical heart rate monitor on my Coros Pace 2 watch was playing up (it has been doing so recently), because I ran a 10K race today and for the last half, my recorded heart rate was around 175-176bpm, which I would have said was around my HRmax, and a good 15bpm above what I would have expected it to be. I'm hoping it's not a post-Covid phenomenon. If it is (and the HRM reading is right), it's rather strange, I would say, for my heart to be beating at that rate and for me not to feel like it is. This is a heart rate I basically never reach in a race, even at the end of a fast 5K on a hot day.
phal
phal
Oct 2022
6:45pm, 23 Oct 2022
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phal
TeeBee that’s exactly the place I was coming from…. I just know from talking to folk in the past that a lot of the research is based on men. We are physiologically different. Plus our hormones can directly affect cardiovascular activity too.

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

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A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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