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Apr 2016
9:27pm, 21 Apr 2016
9,979 posts
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Bazoaxe
actually....correction, more accurate than the measurer
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Apr 2016
9:31pm, 21 Apr 2016
1,773 posts
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K5 Gus
Baz, sounds like you need a new Garmin  Don't think I ever had my trace crossing the canal like that all the years I ran in Edinburgh
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Apr 2016
9:35pm, 21 Apr 2016
9,980 posts
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Bazoaxe
Its usually worse when I run home from work and I think its because where I start there are lots of high buildings and it doesnt find a proper location and probably takes half a mile or more to settle down...but I agree, its not overly reliable at times
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Apr 2016
9:54pm, 21 Apr 2016
3,192 posts
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Nelly
flanker mentioned ""I used to think that the course measurement had to be verified""... moving forward, should this become mandatory for races above a certain size? Or as a minimum should courses need to be re-measured each year (maybe over 5k entrants?), rather than the current system of the organiser verifying there are no changes?
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Apr 2016
10:17pm, 21 Apr 2016
2,539 posts
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Windsor Wool
Nelly - I think it goes to re-emphasise the size of your gains this year.....
An individual garmin might measure under on a single run but the majority of the time the science says they will over measure. When so many raised concerns post 2013 it should have been looked in to. I remember seeing the winner's (Andi Jones) garmin trace on Twitter and it was actually less than 26 miles!
The organisers must have looked the other way, the measurement guys must have looked the other way. It's bollocks. It doesn't impact me but I can't stop feeling grumpy about the situation. People invest so much time in to prep, this isn't fair....
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Apr 2016
10:29pm, 21 Apr 2016
1,716 posts
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monsenb1
Imagine after the 2012 fiasco to come back and say its short in 2013, it would have been the death nail for the race...
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Apr 2016
10:34pm, 21 Apr 2016
323 posts
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davelord
The Manchester marathon story , that's one thing that will never be short
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Apr 2016
11:09pm, 21 Apr 2016
259 posts
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simpleeeee
certainly one way to help them market it as a fast course, chop the last 380m off.
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Apr 2016
11:28pm, 21 Apr 2016
16,438 posts
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flanker
I think that's the point. A single Garmin trace will not be accurate, plus you'd always expect a Garmin to overmeasure both because of deviations off the measured (racing) line and due to the sum of all the minor fluctuations on the reading. Therefore when the majority (i.e. average) of gamins were reading short surely it should have rung some alarm bells early on, and not take 3 years.
I assume if they hadn't been forced to move the venue it would have been short for 2016 & 2017 too, until they were forced to remeasure.
Basically a screw-up by the measurers (who have at least owned up) and by GMM for burying their heads in the sand in lieu of good marketing material.
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Apr 2016
4:58am, 22 Apr 2016
9,981 posts
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Bazoaxe
Nightmare. My sister in law is raging that her 3:09 is expunged from the records as she planned to use that as a Boston qualifier and so she needs to get the bq again and delay plans. Gutted for her ESP as she probably would have gone 3:11
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