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TRO Saracen Jul 2019 9:36am, 4 Jul 2019 19,089 posts	0 TRO Saracen Pakistan got rolled for 100 odd by the Windies early doors. In NRR terms that's 100 but its spread across 50 overs, 2 an over which kills them in NRR terms.
larkim Jul 2019 9:45am, 4 Jul 2019 7,995 posts	0 larkim So Pakistan were 105ao batting first, so 105 over 50 overs. WI achieved it over 13.4 overs, so presumably their score is credited over only 13.4 overs. Had WI batted second, the logic being that WI would have scored a similar positive RR but had the chance to bat for 50 overs, and Pakistan would have achieved a similar total and therefore still divided over 50 overs irrespective of being bowled out for fewer. Makes sense. Scenarios helpfully set out at en.wikipedia.org
fetcheveryone Jul 2019 10:02am, 4 Jul 2019 22,240 posts	0 fetcheveryone In the Fetch "Keeping Up With The Run Rate" scheme, WI would have picked up 50 points in that game, as they knocked the runs off. In the NZ game yesterday, Englands run rate batting first was 6.XX per over. Looking at the helpful 'Manhattan' graph on this page: espncricinfo.com NZ would have picked up 12 Fetch points, for the 12 overs where they scored six or more. You can see where they shut up shop around over 26. The Fetch scheme wouldn't necessarily be fairer, but would give greater opportunities for entertaining 'lost cause' matches.
Derby Tup Jul 2019 10:05am, 4 Jul 2019 32,623 posts	0 Derby Tup Are Fetch points available for ‘lost cause’ fell races when the runner isn’t likely to finish outside the bottom 10%?
flanker Jul 2019 10:12am, 4 Jul 2019 18,392 posts	0 flanker It's always going to be a struggle when the matches are not of a fixed length, which is why using DLS (or similar) to extrapolate-out the second innings to a 50-over prediction seems the fairest way. It's still far from perfect, and I'm sure the team stattos would then be trying to optimise the second innings performances to minimise/maximise numbers, but at least that brings in another element of strategy for both teams. At the moment a team could lose all the tosses, always have to bat second and then (if I'm getting it correctly) have no hope of a good NRR. I suspect that's why we are seeing the new trend of captains choosing to bat rather than chase.
fetcheveryone Jul 2019 10:12am, 4 Jul 2019 22,241 posts	0 fetcheveryone Why not Following the same theme, you get a Fetch point for every minute of the race that you're winning
fetcheveryone Jul 2019 10:17am, 4 Jul 2019 22,242 posts	0 fetcheveryone In the England India game, India would have scored 26 Fetch points for their chase. They were slow early doors, and again in another patch about half way through their innings.
Deinonychus Jul 2019 10:25am, 4 Jul 2019 391 posts	0 Deinonychus Here we have my analysis of the run rates for Pakistan and New Zealand. Pakistan first (hope this table come across): Match For Ov .b Against Ov .b NRR Match Culmulative 1 WI 105 50 108 13 4 -5.802 -5.802 2 Eng 348 50 334 50 0.280 -2.412 3 SL Abandoned -2.412 4 Aus 266 50 307 50 -0.820 -1.796 5 Ind 212 40 301 40 -2.225 -1.933 6 SA 308 50 259 50 0.980 -1.265 7 NZ 241 49 1 237 50 0.162 -0.976 8 Afg 230 49 4 227 50 0.091 -0.792 Here we see that Pakistan were basically up the creek from their first match, when they were slaughtered by West Indies. Bowled out for 105 (which means their overs used counts as 50) then WI knocked off the runs extremely quickly for a huge NRR deficit. Although they've won 4 matches since then, 3 of them have been by a very slim margin so had very little positive effect on their NRR. (England came within 14 runs, and they beat NZ and Afghanistan with 5 balls, and 2 balls remaining) You can also see that losing a match less badly than your NRR up till that point, will cause your NRR deficit to go down, as Pakistan did against Australia. DLS calculations are taken into consideration, to level the playing field. Although India batted for 50 overs, their par score that Pakistan had to chase was 301 from 40 overs, which is used as India's score for the purposes of NRR calculations.
Deinonychus Jul 2019 10:31am, 4 Jul 2019 392 posts	0 Deinonychus Hmm, that table didn't work so well.
Deinonychus Jul 2019 10:36am, 4 Jul 2019 393 posts	0 Deinonychus Here's a better version of the table above: