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it is a beautiful thing

Love the Fetch Festive Calendar!

27...

25...

Best thing about Christmas is the Fetch Festive Calender 🥳

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Did you grow the beard purely for Kenobi style points on the 12th? The McGregorousness up there is uncanny...

PS I was about to say "Your ticker is broken" unless I realised it's just the final line of your blog.

19

17..

15...

15 seconds for the first entrant to arrive

I usually forget the first day.

yay, good to see the calendar back

Late to the party as I've just got in from work.

Thank you, just thank you

I was torn between reading your blog or opening Day 1 first; glad I read your blog! Thanks for keeping such a wonderful community going. I've had an idea for my FID pic all year, and I still haven't been able to locate somewhere I can take the pic. FMail me if you're curious

Advent calendar, SuperDeath and, this year, a miniature chocolates deathmatch. Got to love December.

Thank you for everything ❤️

This is the most special part of the internet

Grateful to have found Fetch - thank you.

It is a tradition to enter the fetch festive calendar thing, find out I don't want some of the stuff or can't do some of them, then not win anyway , thanks.

As TeeBee said, definitely THE most special part of the internet, thanks to you and Katie xx

Thank you for all you do. I first went to CLS because of you.

What day can I win the lard?

The calendar is a thing of beauty

You are a top fella. Isn't it amazing how some of these things have become venerable traditions. The calendar, Fetch Independence Day pics, the challenges, Doctor K cup, Fetch Miles (when they were possible) etc. you've created a real legacy, not many folk can say that. Anyhoo, Happy December. G

Merry Christmas! 🎅

KtB doesn't look very happy in that pic, just saying...

She's in character lammo - have you ever seen Yoda smile? He can't, prosthetics (I mean alien skin) doesn't allow it! G

Ooh, I boinged the thread about it yesterday after your FP share of the Book Shelf! fetcheveryone.com/forum/which-running-books-47155/

(On an unrelated point, can the page be renamed to Book Shop, Library or Shelf, rather than Store please?!) G

It is a good list.

It is a good list but not all can be rated!

Could you make it easy to find please? I had some books I wanted to review earlier this year and couldn't find the bookshelf at all.

I saw this pop up on the homepage yesterday. I agree on filters and was thinking of a request for them but not sure what they'd be yet though

I also wanted to acknowledge Vrap's great reviews (both negative and positive). The Chi book one was a proper LOL (literally in the the literal sense of the the word) moment.

Glad you have blown the dust off 🙂

It's now got a permanent home under Shop > Book Reviews.

Binks' review of his own book is brilliant

doofii, that's a great plural!

I like the fact that posts are uneditable. It keeps everyone honest. I'm now actively looking for an opportunity to work doofii into a sentence!

I like your reasoning for the uneditable posts

Excited about calendar

Cooool! I've just done mine and it worked.

I'd forgotten that it was the 1st tomorrow - how exciting!

So that means, for the "xxx miles in [year]" the thread can be kept going, rather than a new thread each year. Excellent.

Cool, fixing thread titles will be good.

Not being able to change or delete your posts in threads, comments etc. is almost in the DNA of FE, I feel. "Think Before You Submit" could almost be motto! G

^^^ it'll never catch on.

Hang on - you want us to think?
Sensible change though. And I too, am looking forward to the Advent Calendar and associated challenges.

I actually prefer having different race threads year on year, as it brings together different people and it can makes it easier to find things when looking back... but nice addition to the site none the less.
It may also be worth adding to your blog that whilst editing of posts is not possible on FE you did (fairly?) recently add the preview button that can be used to screen out typos before posting if one is so inclined.

Nice (editing and calendar) -thanks!

I really like the option to amend the title of a thread but agree about amendments of posts. Thanks for that.

I agree about editing posts (until my next typo at least😊)

Agreed. Good work with doofii.

Interesting challenge, I guess!
And possibly why my run yesterday has a dip substantially below sea level! (York is pretty flat. I know bits of it flood, but not the 'low bit' on my route. :-). )

Thanks for you efforts ... and for amusing blog titles!
Have a bonus mince pie.

From my experience, multiple watches, all garmin, over quite a few years, the altitude can lag. ie if I'm walking up a hill and stop for a rest/photo/admire the view, for the next 30-60 secs, the altitude creeps up and up before stabilising at a figure higher than when I stopped.

I haven't though to try it on the descent and see if it takes a while to drop.

I would have thought the question of how much elevation change there was on a route is one to which there is no true *correct* answer. A bit like how long is a stretch of coastline.
If your Fetch-gorithm comes up with answers in the same range as other services, then that's probably as much as you can do.

Thanks Fetch, awesome work. Yes it's easy to think that ascent would be an easy thing to sort out, but the more you know about it it gets messier indeed.

Thanks Fetch. Dumb question, could we have an option to import the exact same elevation data that Garmin tell us on to your elevation data? That way they will both 'feel' right as they will match

Yes that might be good? At least i have an IOSApp "Flink" that shows garmins numbers, so i should work.

The elevation that you get from OS maps on line is consistently inflated and far from the gold standard. I have had cause this year to check numerous routes plotted on OS maps using a watch with a barometric altimeter that continually rechecks itself against data points (and is therefore very accurate unless you get a very fast moving front). The OS maps numbers are consistently wrong by as much as 30-40%.

I think this is a helpful page by Garmin, too: support.garmin.com

"Elevation calibrated by GPS is accurate to +/-400 feet with a strong GPS signal."

That's a significant variance!

PS Glad there was a hyphen in "up-ness" otherwise that could have been offensive

The OS maps height database will generate significant height differences if you are on a level path (i.e. an old railway) that crosses an area with noticeable height differences (as will a GPX) on either side, which suggests it is extrapolating between points in a fairly well spaced database (probably to reduce the size of the database the online model uses). A good barometric altimeter that is reset at regular intervals, in stable weather conditions will always be the gold standard.

Not sure if you've seen this, or if it raises anything you haven't covered above - other than some views on thresholds and horizontal inaccuracies impacting altitude.
gpsvisualizer.com

Happy to help with any analysis you want done - eg looking at gpx data where I know it's flat or only up or only down to see variations.

Well i dont think its that easy that "Garmin constantly inflates Ascent" I have checked my garmin 945 with the altitude meter and its spot on the elevation where i live. And its very hilly, and mostly is between a few meters, or dead accurate on my normal runs ascents. So if garmin inflates or everyone else deflates is probably hard to tell.

Interesting link UM.

Garmin state: "Barometric Altimeter Accuracy of Outdoor Products:
With proper calibration, the barometric altimeter of an outdoor watch or handheld will report elevation readings ranging from -2,000 to 30,000 feet with an accuracy of +/-50 feet (Calibration by GPS is accurate to +/-400 feet). Elevation values greater than 30,000 feet can be generated, but may not be accurate due to environmental factors."
support.garmin.com

Um- I did see that link - but I am guessing that any third party lookup would involve fees. I’ve also wondered about developing my own database of altitude data, based on averages - but my concern is that the volume of data, processing and retrieval costs would make it difficult. One of those times where I wish I had unlimited tech at my disposal.

Bowman doesn't the 945 not have a built in barometer? In which case it isn't just relying on GPX data and should be very accurate (far more than Garmins or anything else that only uses GPX data to calculate heights and ascent).

The statement "Garmin constantly inflates Ascent" would be more accurately put as "Garmins and other devices that use only GPX information to calculate ascent will consistently produce inaccurate data (usually inflated) due to the inaccuracies of GPX in the third dimension (it was only ever designed to work in 2D to give users a fix on a paper map).

Oops! double negative. Meant to say doesn't the 945 include a barometric altimeter?

FF - my 935 has barometric data, and it’s not the overall accuracy that’s the issue. It’s the noise in the data - the little +-0.2 metres that build up. Working out how much of that is noise is the issue I am tackling.

No comment other than a brief concern about Ness

Fetch - I'm not sure that is a problem that you will ever solve without using an impossibly detailed database. As Um's link suggests a barometric altimeter will usually give you the most accurate answer (as many of the small changes of height will be real but impossible to represent in any useable database) but it is still an estimate and anything else practical will likely to be a more inaccurate estimate. Your algorithm is likely to be in closer agreement with your Garmin on bike rides because your speed is higher so that Garmin sampling points are further apart and closer to resolution of a mapping database (see Paul's comment about measuring the length of a coast line).

My Garmin Edge sometimes tells me that it is adjusting altitude to match the starting point: so, good agreement with our home points is to be expected.

Lol @ dipps! Wasn't me guv! Honest!

Thanks for all your hard work, Fetch.

Flyingfin, yes it does. I use it with DEM.

I assume this only works for new links, rather than reprocessing old ones? My old runs still look very odd ascent wise - is there a way to force the hamsters to have another look at them, or do I need to delete and upload again?

Thanks re the infographic Fetch. Interesting to see the difference between last season mileage wise vs the season just gone. Not made as much difference as I'd expected (possible training error) but hopefully it pays off eventually.

Not sure if it's any use but Open-Elevation have a free-to-use public API (and a free Docker container) that was reasonable when I needed to use one. It's uses the STRM DEM dataset which is reckoned to be one of the best (until LIDAR ones become widely available). don't know if the public API would cope with your volumes.

Btw, ascent back to not working in the infographic, but maybe you don’t get these comments on old blogs?

I wouldn't use that, but I'm sure it will be appreciated by many. However, it does give me an idea for another feature request...

Christmas pies. Coming to my kitchen. Soon, but not until 1 Dec (because I have self discipline)

Slippery slope to a user ignore button? amazingly I still think a user ignore button is a bad idea. Although people who suffer through my contributions may disagree.

Can I embed an @fetch notification into a spoiler on that tarts thread, so you 'have to' go there, maybe without realising? Hmm ... maybe for later, when your busy and forgotten this.

No, definitely not.

Whoops - that 'No, definitely not' was for Roo.

How do I block / mute 13,000 threads in one go..?

Stay hydrated?

Thank you @fetcheveryone

Any prizes for guessing the most muted thread?

It's none of the ones I thought it might be.

More Mince Pie abuse from Mr Website, huh? I'm *this* close to a full on hissy fit right now. *throws mince pies in your general direction*

Awesome idea and development.

Will say a lot about who mutes what! Except no-one else will know.

This is magnificent. Distractions: be gone. Whoop.

Lol @mushroom.

How do I mute my own posts?

We need a stats ticker for which threads are most muted...

Brilliant

A 'mute for x days' would be a nice enhancement. To either avoid an unpleasant discussion on a favourite thread, or for when you really do have to hit that deadline.

Flanker - go vote for Feature Request 1130, I proposed a snooze function on watched threads.

Lol. Thread mute watch - Have you got thread mute? There will be games, leaderboards, statistics on most muted threads, most thread muters, etc. No end to the FE innovation. I, on the other hand, will continue to just not open the threads that I don't want to open and mute by the power of not using my finger! G

I'd quite like to see a mute count alongside the lurkers and watch count - really show the appeal, or otherwise, of a thread!

Largely speaking, the highest mute counts are amongst the threads where there's a simple rule that governs what you post (and no chat aside from that). But people have also tended to mute threads relating to hobbies/sports that they are presumably not interested in.

Just the 11,000 to go...

@Mushroom - I don't know where you'll find the 5000 that don't exist

..rumbled..

Already used it, it works well! Great feature!

Yup - it worked for me. Hooray

Nice!

Nice for quick access to some of the pages I regularly use that are 2 or 3 levels down in the menu system - thanks

I’m still getting used to the whirly thing

I like it but might be good to keep what was there before but allow people to remove them if they want? Training Log is definitely one I'll be adding back.

Shortcut button isn't appearing in portrait on mobile anymore there's enough space for it so I'm assuming it's a bug (I have shortcuts).

I'm going to use it to short cut the castle challenge page as it's no longer on the home page. But as SPR says - the shortcut button has disappeared from mobile portrait view (iphone 8)

The shortcut list is in the dropdown menu on mobile i.e. click the burger, and you should see it.

Defeats the object of having shortcuts surely? There's lots of room for it to appear where it used to.

Why does it defeat the object? The menu opens, your shortcuts are there.

An extra click has been added and you're opening a menu where you only want to be looking at shortcuts. The beauty of the shortcuts list is it shows you a small selection and nothing else. I think in this case, consistency with the desktop site makes sense.

Haha! Just seen it and thought it might be a direct result of my whingeing the other day! I see it was a request but think it will neatly solve my problem.

Oh no it doesn't. oh well. I'm getting used to it now.

My star is in the middle.

I'm with SPR, can there still be a shortcut to the shortcuts next to the notification bell in mobile portrait mode to save opening the menu?

Looks good! 👍 It would be nice to be able to reorder the list and edit names etc.

Works well for me on a laptopm+monitor. Thanks!
I use it for things that I either use a lot, or use frequently and struggle to find. Not things that are 2 clicks in anyway.

Loving this - thanks Lord Fetch!

Still missing the shortcut link from the header. What was the reason for removing it? There's still the the other shortcuts (notifications, profile, messages, etc) in the header so there's still some value seen in keeping some stuff separate from the menus, or is some of this going to disappear as well?

I am moving towards having less stuff in there on mobile, so that it might even be possible to move from two bars down to one bar. That's my current thinking anyway

...actually SPR, I've stuck it back in. Have a good day

Excellent! Thanks. Have a good day yourself.

I think that might mean us non-Garmin users get to feel smug as we waltz past the queue! Little things please little minds 😂

Aha! I wondered why my parkrun activity took a few minutes to appear today. (Don’t worry, I concluded immediately that it was a Garmin problem and nothing to do with you!) Thanks for clarifying it - I will be suitably patient in future!

thats cool beans

"This is a popular time to log training. Our import queue is a bit busy at the moment. It may take up to 27290143 minutes for your training to arrive."

That's almost 52 years. I think I'll wait for a bit.

Hopefully a bit less than that : )

Bit of a glitch I think. It’s currently saying... “Our import queue is a bit busy at the moment. It may take up to 27290212 minutes for your training to arrive.” Fortunately I won’t be adding any extra training until later.

Im on 27290246 minutes

That should be fixed now. Will teach me to upload something before going out for three hours. Or will it? Probably not

I synced my watch with Garmin connect this afternoon and it was all tickety-boo.

FIFO

Nicely done. Good bit of (re ) coding.

And (c) that (c) should be a (d). Glad no serious damage done. Careful with the running lark now! G

Oh my! I was worried. Glad you are OK.

I've updated the (c) and the blog title. I don't want to worry anyone.

Sorry!

Good use of the Spoiler function good choice of sock colour, too. Unless you want the bloodstains as a mark of pride. (Glad you're okay!)

Nice pic

Glad to hear (and see!) that the running injury isn't too bad.

If you are wary of cycling in traffic, Bikeability offers training for adults bikeability.org.uk which should give you confidence and the knowledge to ride safely on roads and in traffic.

Tripped over a rock? This is what happens when you're suffering from a mince pie deficiency...

Glad to see that you're ok, but also incredibly smiley about the adventure! Beats my Friday so far!

You are so very weird.

Oops!
I reckon I've had more falls running than cycling relative to the distance covered. But the cycling falls have resulted in the destruction of more skin and clothing.

Oops indeed! Having face-planted while running and broken my nose, I’d definitely agree running is more hazardous! Hope you’re ok.

That looks like a bridge under the railway!

@Ness - I've got a good falling roll I always hit my left knee though.

glad you're alright. Don't forget this thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/falling-over-watch---have-you-got-falling-over-60449/

Doh 🙄 pot lemon juice on your poorly knee. It’ll help it heal faster and also help your running 🏃‍♂️

Half you're relatively uninjured and cheerful after that.

Did you trip over your beard, perhaps?

Half? Glad!

It must be an internet virus. Not long after reading this I tripped on a speck of dust while walking and took the skin off a knee.

Disappointed that 'Blogs' isn't 'Bllogs' or 'Blogwyn'

Actually McG, it should have been 'Blogiua' I've just changed it.

Excellent! Shame there's not an option for regional dialects, that'd be fun. Or one that just uses as many swear words as possible.

Yikes!

Sounds interesting Fetch - and fun.

When I used to work for a living, one of the things I managed was a WW quote development, which had a file of English 'elements', which we then translated into the 60 or so languages needed. Including American. (and any country specific legal requirements additional to straight text translations)
And used your approach - ie an in house auto-ish translation, then tuned by local superusers. Once we got to the 'inter language arguments on exact phrasing' we assumed we were close enough.
The hardest part? Any of the abbreviations in tables (eg VAT, No., Disc% etc) Or where the 4 character english word was 36 characters in german, and 'no shortening' was deemed acceptable).

Please, please, can I make a plea that people only translate into their native language or one that they command as well as their native language. Otherwise it has the potential to be just embarrassing. Just as a benchmark, I pass for native German in conversation, but would not translate anything written into German unless it was most definitely for information only, and then unwillingly and with lots of caveats.

(PS am a trained translator and now train other translators for a living)

Nothing funnier than a locally translated restaurant menu. I agree with Linds

Don't listen to Linds being all sensible. Head for Google Translate and cause maximum chaos! Bonus points for translating across multiple languages to *really* lose meaning...

Popty ping

Could you fix all of the imperial references in all of the posts to be automagically translated to metric?

Than would help.🤣

Btw, do you have any stats of nationality here?
I think I saw a Norwegian once other than that only British or English speaking people.

See if you can work these out?

Translated Books / Film Titles - English to Japanese and back to English

1. Lone Glider Above The Strange Egg Layer
2. The Noblemen of Hoops
3. Arrogance & Bigotry
4. Captivity for a Dozen Eons
5. Exquisiteness Along With a Creature
6. Posterior Towards Impending Times
7. Conflict & Harmony
8. To Sleigh the Scornful Avian Creature

9. The Deity of Soaring Insects

10. The Canine of Partition Highway

The app seems to load faster in Android, was that a tweak?

Don’t seem to be able to change lang on mobile safari & prob just a typo but shouldn’t Blogs be Blogiau? Sorry to be pedantic. Great feature btw

I'm with Linds on not translating into a language unless you're a native speaker. I'm looking forward to our first Klingon Fetchie.

Cheeky’s Dad - I corrected it, see earlier in the comments. Maybe try this advice for switching language: macrumors.com

Da Iawn. Falch i chi wneud y Gymraeg yn gyntaf. Diolch yn Fawr.

Excellent

I like those Mushroom - I think I've got 8 of them

I think I've got all except number 10. Needs a thread to discuss

I'm seconding Sigh's request for regional accent versions.
Yorkshire:
t'Forum
t'Blogs
t'Training
t'etc...

If you can persuade your browser that your language is ‘Yorkshire’, I’ll see what I can do.

This explains so much - it didn’t half confuse me when all the menu options turned Welsh overnight! I’m used to various parts of iOS being Welsh, and others not, but was pretty damn certain it hadn’t got as far as parts of websites…. Diolch 😁

Thanks panad - how’s it looking?

Ardderchog. Diolch yn fawr Fetch.

Owen will build a bridge to the parsnips

There does not seem to be a ISO 3155-2 code for Yorkshire (the Riddings are counted separately), but I've told my computer to accept the York dialect, should it be available, although only after Esperanto and British English but before any other versions of English.

Looks slick. If you don't know to close the new 2 layer left menu then it obscures the notifications from the top. I've worked out to close it now though! G

Do you mean the ones that tell you about new posts on threads? I’ve been wondering about amalgamating these in with the rest of the notifications.

Oh fancy it looks good well done!

I like the way the button twiddle about.

Thanks. Will take a look. I’m starting to use my phone more.

Thanks! I'll go and fiddle about.

Fab. I'm mostly mobile so will be giving it qll a good test run

It’s marvellous now. Thanks Fetchie Wetchie.

Nice! Love your work

I've been heading right for my next tap to find my menu option isn't there. It looks good to me so far anyway

I like it, but I don’t think I want new post notifications merged with everything else.

So you have.

And very nice it looks too

On my mobile the nav always felt very unintuitive and hard to find. This is a big improvement.

Nice improvement. Liking the twiddle too 😊

Wondered what was happening on my phone

Great improvement.

Oh. I don't like it. I think the twiddle-spin line is unsettling. I'll get used to it!

I’m getting used to it all now! Always on my phone!

Nice

I really like it. Noticed it straight away. Thank you. Thanks for fixing my colour issue, too

Like the new navigation, although it would be better if only one sub-heading could be open at a time (eg, if Blogs is extended, and I click on Forum, Blogs should collapse as Forums extends.

Please don't combine the unread posts with notifications.

Colour's changed, nice

Love the new nav

Nope still don't like it. Have to do two clicks to take me places rather than one. Plus the drop down and swirly lines are making me feels sea sick. Looks like I'm in a minority of one though. 😂

I noticed it and I like it.

@Roo - regarding the click count... I think that's only the case if where you want to go is a top-level page, and even then, only if it's in a section other than the one you're currently in.

I also draw a distinction between "interaction" clicks that instigate things to happen on the page, and "server" clicks that make your browser request a whole new page. The latter are slower, and used to be a huge focus back in the day when page load times used to be a significant factor in user experience, and when screens were big enough that a mouse journey from one side to the other required some effort. These days, I think there's more emphasis on intuitive navigation - I'm a big fan of this book: amzn.to

Under the old system, let's say you began on the home page and wanted to upload a picture. you'd need to open the menu (interaction click), then click 'Gallery' (server click). When the page came back, you'd need to open the submenu (interaction click), then click 'Upload Pictures' (server click). Four clicks.

Under the new system, you open the menu (interaction click), then click Gallery (interaction click), then click 'Upload Pictures' (server click).

Everyone else likes it MrFetch so I'm sure it is better. I'm just having a little surprised lurch when I click "forum" or "blogs" on the first menu and instead of whizzing straight to the forums or to the blog list it gives me another drop down instead. I don't think it needs changed or even justified since Everyone seems to like it apart from weird little me. 🙃 it is easier to get to sub-menu places, with less page loading, but slightly more interaction needed to get to the front page of each section than previously.

The money will be coming when I can get to my card reader later!

Forgot about deadline, order now placed, before end of day at least though not before original noon, hope still ok.

That sounds useful. Thank you!

Excellent; will be interesting to see how actively it gets used and how useful / annoying people find it! I suspect the next request was "how do I stop people tagging me in posts..."

This is so cool. Does it work in Comments too? fetcheveryone ?? G

Lol larkim didn't you want me to tag you in thread: Politics?! G

HappyG - for more information, please re-read.

*Are your ears burning button * - brilliant

Very useful. Thanks and LOL @ ^ 😂

Ah.. thats why it doesn't work in blogs!! haha Thanks Fetch!

Yes! A thing I use a lot at work. Probably less opportunity to boss people about on here though!

Oooo

What do we do if their name is just 2 letters?

That's a good point. I'll have to come back to that.

For now, if you know their user number, you can type the code in manually.

As DrF just pointed out, I'm struggling here. As is anyone else trying to @ me

Or I become ummmm

[ USER 3 ]

(There is always someone who will press the red button if it says “don’t press the red button”. Today I am that person )

It only works if you put a space after it, I think. So if you say eg thanks fetcheveryone! the link isn't there

Very good. Now I suppose people will want an opt out of notifications from this?

Yay, this was my golden ticket vote

Good idea

Interestingly I didn't get notified of the tag when it came here in the comments (just spotted it above from Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr) so curious if you see that get notified.

Echoing Drell's comment, it could do with tolerating characters after the ] as it's quite easy to forget to use the preview function and end up with "Happy Birthday [user£$£]!" by mistake.

How can you do all of this by your self? 😱
Ever thought of hiring people, I mean it’s big enough I think? But I guess it’s kind of costly to take that step.

Nice!

looks good

Excellent

👍

I’m not sure if it’s because you were playing or a request or a bug but the pace bands and route etc wouldn’t split when I split my intervals session into WU and intervals last week. The headline time and distance changed, and the ‘new’ session had the right map, but the original still had the whole thing. I’ve been wondering whether I should mention it

Seren - that was an unrelated bug, but I sorted that earlier this week. If you try trimming that run again, it should be happier. Report as a bug if not

That looks great, I use the feature regularly. I never forget to stop my watch when I run from home, so I don't know why I'm so forgetful when I've driven to run in a different location!

Thanks it is a really handy feature

Seren, I thought it was me being stupid. Never occurred it may have been a bug. Lol
That looks good Fetch.

Oooo, I was literally just wondering if we could do this... I started and stopped my watch a couple of times at the end of my run before finally pressing the right buttons today. I need to trim off my idiocy.

👍

Good to know

Or are you using nerd power to heat your home? I did wonder about the Raspberry Pi project?
thetimes.co.uk

Or BBC's take on it, if you prefer bbc.co.uk

FetchTowers hosts a weekly rave night to power the server... bbc.co.uk

Seriously - all companies should have a Carbon Zero statement. You should include something in the "About FetchEveryone" bit somewhere on the site to say "low energy", "single server", "green electricity" etc G

I’m sure that’s how air-miles started

You didn’t calculate human CO2 creation? Animal agriculture also has a big impact.

while some other sites and mags just recycle content

Nice blog
Are you feeling the need for a new cycle jersey yet? Just asking…..

@AC - I have two irons in the fire. Ron Hill Specials have promised to send me a sample several times, but they are crazy busy, so that hasn't happened yet. And I'm also hopeful of a sample from Foska, but their prices are quite a bit more expensive.

All positive stuff.

"... not taken a pump, tube or anything sensible like that"
Wait till you get your first puncture a LONG way from home, that will change your mind I reckon +1 for the cycle jersey (long sleeved please)

Re navigation - I’m a Luddite and find a few OS map sheets, printed off bing or OS site, folded in an airport security poly bag, quicker and easier than phone maps.
And my cheap muddy fox shirts have been fine.

Punctures? I’ve managed in recent years with slime tyres and Kevlar insert things. Not sure how much they help? Equally I have a hybrid bike with chunkier tyres.

Hee hee! Welcome to the saddle
I recommend carrying all the repair kit. Even if you don't know how to use it you'll look more credible when someone stops to help you. Learning to do basic repairs is of course even better.

Nice to see you enjoying yourself and developing your cycling.

Pump, spare inner tube (saves trying to fix a puncture in the wet, wind, cold and dark), puncture repair kit (in case you get a second puncture), tyre levers etc are essentials. I use puncture proof tyres which are really puncture proof and brilliantly reliable.

Cold - cycling makes the temperature feel like 5-10C lower that it actually is, especially for the fingers (watch out for your Raynaud's) and face, due to the quicker movement through the air.

Glad to see you are getting the hang of anticipating the correct gear to choose before you actually select it.
I'm not a fan of standing on the pedals to go up hills, choosing the appropriate lower gear and cadence should mean not losing momentum, and you can go just as fast as using higher gears and standing, plus it is less tiring. Standing is fine you you are attempting to do some hill power work using your quads and glutes.

I find that most road works crews are happy to let you go through closed roads providing you ask nicely and take care of whatever plant is there. Different if the road has been completely dug up though .

Drivers - I thank them for patiently waiting behind me before overtaking, or stopping behind parked cars on their side to let me through. They are supposed to do both those anyway, but I like to engender friendliness between drivers and cyclists.

Yes. All positive stuff.

Get in 💪🏻

Love this. But please buy and take an inner tube, tyre levers, a pump and repair kit.

It’s only a matter of time ‘til you get a puncture especially this time of year ie hedge trimming season

Cycling? *shudders* Hope your calf recovers soon. G

I like this blog... +1 for Fetch tops, and +++1 for get some repair kit and a pump under your water bottle cage.... a bar/underseat bag for the kit, also hold snacks... (that will have got your attention!)

Good tyres are *almost* puncture proof, but best to still take a pump and tube. I get cold on my bike. I’m still in shorts and t shirt for running, but layering up on my bike with gloves, snood, hat under my helmet. Must be getting old because I don’t remember that when I was 15, maybe it was just warmer 40 years ago??

Add your golden tickets here

"FEATURE 997 Allow the annual infographic to show a year starting from any month (or even date). This will allow people to share an athletic season which (for me at least) is more meaningful than calendar year."

Should be sorted so that I can publish my infographic when my season ends not 3 months later

I'll gladly have all the unused ones to allocate

Athletics doesn't have a season. The year goes cross-country, marathon training, 5ks, summer holiday. That's it.

Athletics does have a season. Marathon and 5ks is not athletics that's road running

Mine is allocated, of course.

Vote 192 - The Search Feature! (E.g. if I need to find when I had bursitis in my right knee. It will be in my training notes, prob blog, maybe even injuries, but with 14 years on Fetch, can I find it? Can I feck!) G

Such sad news.

Thank you. Something that would benefit someone in the community? A 'scholarship' to buy coaching for a time? Sponsored race entry?

May he rest in peace.

how kind of his family. I like LindsD coaching suggestions. I wonder if anyone who knew him in person knows what he might have supported?

Made a small donation in his memory. Always sad to lose a member of our community. The shocking thing for me was how just a few short days before he was still posting, in a hopeful way, and still using his time and energy to support, inform and encourage others. RIP Banjobax. G

How kind of his family. I hope that shows they recognise how much we thought of Banjobax as a member of the #fetchfam.
Perhaps allowing Fetchies to do a Leadership in Running Fitness course would be a fitting tribute to someone who was always supportive and encouraging

What a kind thing for Fiona and Eileen to do. I wish them peace and solace xxx Still shell-shocked at losing one of our own.
Will have a think. I like the ideas that have been suggested so far.

I like Scribbs’ suggestion. I didn’t know him and hadn’t interacted with him until the week or two before he died but he came over as a lovely person. I was very affected by losing him from the #fetchfam and wish his wife and family all the very best.

Lovely idea

When I click on the donate link I get an error message

That's odd. It's working fine here. Is it the same on mobile / computer? On 4G vs on Wifi?

I’ve turned wifi off and still get sand message. I’ll upload it to gallery

It's always really sad to hear of a Fetchie passing away. It really is like losing one of the family

I didn't know Banjobax, but from the things I've read about him I wish I had, he sounds like an excellent person and a manifestation of what FetchEveryone is about RIP

It’s working now.

How kind and generous of his family. I echo Jennywren's comment.

I had only minor interaction with him during a chess match, even just from that he seemed a really nice guy.

'No act of kindness no matter how small is ever wasted' - Aesop should be the Fetch motto, in Banjobax's memory

Love the suggestions from Linds and Scribbler

Are the long sleeve ones the same material, or a thicker (warmer more wind protection) version?
Thanks.

The same material I think. I will double check.

ooh - I have never had a long-sleeved Fetch shirt. Pre-order placed.

In

Is black still slimming?

Not as slimming as standing next to me

Ordered LS & SS and paid for both just now. For some reason I got 3x fmails - just making clear I only want two items!

Order in and transfer done.

ordered and paid. excited. love bit of fetch bling

By my reckoning, that's 14 minutes bonners

Whoohoo long sleeves. I do hope the sleeves are branded with the name, I love a layering of tees in the cold months

I was just thinking about a long-sleeved Fetch top. Done. Ta.

Oooh, long sleeve option just in time for the chilly weather! Ordered and paid. Ta!

Me please

Red t-shirt ordered, payment inbound later

Long sleeve, you say....

Long sleeve in black, ordered and paid. Purrrrrrrr.

Black long & paid. Now rubbing chin re a red short.Hmm

Yes please!

Yes please

Can’t say no to the chance of a new book

Me please

Oh alright then.

Ooh! Don’t mind if I do

Ooh, yes please.

I never win anything, prove me wrong.

Me please. I have an older editor which I will give away if I win a new one.

*Edition*.

I already have a copy (3rd edition) so don't need one thanks. It is very useful though.

I'm entering this competition because of the use of the words Bum and Willy. G

Me please!!!

Ooh, me, me, me. Pleeease!

Me please!

Me please - As my training has never had any methodology!

Ooh yes please! I've signed up for my first ultra and will need all the help I can get!

somesuch..

Fi os gwelwch yn dda!

Me please - it’s about time I did some of this training stuff

Me please

yes please pretty please

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Fab! Me please

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ohh - books - me please

me please..birthday tomorrow...!!

Yes please x

Oui, SVP.

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Si por favor

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A book about bums and willies you say??? Or did i mishear?

Yes please

Ooh, I want!

Yes please!

Oh yes indeed.

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ooh, me please!

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Yes please lord fetch

Me wanty.

Yes please!

Yes please 🤗

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yes please

Me please, need all the help I can to get to stay committed to a training plan

Me please, I love this book but leant my copy out ages ago and don't know where it is now

Me please

Not for me thanks….it’ll make me run fast, up hills, & for a long time. Not my thing really.

Me please

yes please

Me please, I can give it to me as a Christmas present

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Me too, me too! 😀

Mise, le do thoil

me two

Me please' or somesuch.

Me me me!! (please).

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Me please. And have somesuch also. Many thank yous.

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👍 good! G

Glad I've not done much training recently!! Are you going to import things like sleep, weight etc too?

@larkim - those are possible, but it's just a like-for-like replacement really, in terms of its end result.

nice so can we delete any duplicates now?

You are very welcome. I need to get some grub stops listed.

EP - yes, you can delete your duplicates now, thanks.

Good news

Good news.

Ta!

Nice. 2pm walkie, duplicated. 4:40 walkie not duplicated and presumably on the new system.

Glad to be of assistance 👍🏻

Thank you! I'll go prune my training records now!
All works as expected. 😊

@fetch - it's a convenience thing; the "plus" with a service like GC is that they are happy (and have the infrastructure) to share data to other platforms as they are just looking to add value to their physical sales products, so for me the ability to add weight in one place and have it pushed to other places where I'll then do more with it is quite important. Since I've had a watch that can do sleep tracking I've found myself digging into that at GC and I'd rather do it on here. In broad terms, I'd want GC to be the mechanism for collecting data, but here being the place to see it and use it, so the more that you can grab from places like GC the better as far as I can see. Not that any of it takes much time to do at my end, but I'm quite lazy!

I do understand, and like I said, these are all possible additions. My goal here is to replace the old victorian lead pipework with some shiny new copper. Then we can talk about retiling the bathroom

Those double points made me a few extra profits in Trader

Added one disappointed not to get a badge

Nice. The website needs a hyperlink, though, otherwise it'll be a faff to use on mobiles.

Can neither confirm nor deny that I also jumped to add things in the hope of getting a badge...

There's a useful cycle café Google map here cafes.cyclingmaps.net

I've stuck a good grub one up.

couple of great places near me, one even advertises the farting goats on its website

How do I get to the map from the main menu?

Looks great! Ideas for the gazetteer (apologies if these have been mentioned already): bike repair shops, running shoe shops, independent coffee shops, bike routes on (disused!) railway lines, YHA youth hostels, long-distance footpaths (McG may have one or two to add here!), all with layers that you can switch on and off (like FetchPoint map layers).

And a photo (or more than one!) of each as per feature request 1211.

Was thinking the other day it would be handy to have a map of all the really hard hills (for planning hill training), and maybe viewpoints as well whilst we're at it?

Climbing walls (both indoors and out), scuba diving spots, the possibilities are endless

On the cafe page, how about a section for links to run/walk/clcle routes saved as public on here - be a good way of boosting public routes too

Some issue with the apostrophes? I tried to add your missing two, and ended up with a double in the first box and none in the second #pedant

And now I've put the bloody cafe in slightly the wrong place and can't move it. Can we move the pin, please? Or can you?

I've added my favourite one - located off the road though, so only accessible for those on foot or on two wheels .......

Excellent idea! Would be a good idea to have a link to a Facebook page or website if they have one. One of the ones we use in the Summer is weather-dependent and updates their Facebook page if they're going to be closed.

Do they have customer loos?

Following on from Dio's comment, would toilets count as points of interest? Always useful to know where some are *just in case*

Dog friendly?
A nice seat

Great idea - and yes, are loos available

Fab idea.

WiFi available?

Great idea. I like SarahWoo's suggested of a link to an FB page -I always like to check the food photos before I go somewhere.
A sliding scale or drop down to indicate price bracket could be useful?

I came on to say Dogs, toilets, wiFi but I've been beaten to it. Curses!
Excellent idea though. Love it!!

This is an excellent idea.

All sounds good. Will they be categorised according to pre-determined types rather than a whole bunch of mixed POIs?

"FetchAdvisor" love it!

Just grub stops? How about re-hydration points (aka pubs), with or without grub?
There's a select few I frequent, post run, and use their car parks while running (with their permission). I've also heard rumours of some runners (& cyclists and walkers, not swimmers yet) re-hydrating mid activity.

Parks with nice off road trails (not used currently as parkrun venues).

I live near Hartshill Hays Country Park which is lovely for a walk/run and/or Fetchie catch up.

I love this idea 👍

Great idea, though can't add any other suggestions 🙂

This sounds VERY useful

>>#or just to sit and push things into face holes

I've written four different comments and redacted them all.

I like the idea of grub stops...very useful for anyone travelling out of their normal areas.

and loves Sigh's *fetchAdvisor* name! It's so perfect!

FetchAdvisor is a great idea agree that all the above suggestions for content would be good

Michelin Style grading?
* = worth stopping if you're passing
** = worth a detour if you're close by
*** = worth a special visit

There are some voting buttons - see my latest blog

you look scarily like my brother in that photo

Not something for mid-run (hopefully) but Proper Running Shoe Shops might be helpful - about 2/3s of the nearby ones have shut down in the last 5 years...

Happy to volunteer and pretty much log something every day. Although I am registered for the games I don't really actively play so would be willing to withdraw from WSW and Fetchpoint; would like to keep Conquercise though.

I’m the same as westmoors. I don’t mind volunteering now I’m a full-time aflete Will drop out of WSW for a few weeks. My winter routes mean I’m not much competition. Don’t play Fetchpoint anyway. Happy to help if needed.

Thanks wm. Both WSW and Conquercise should correct themselves once you delete any duplicate, so it should be ok - I was just being cautious. I'll add you to the new system. I'll follow you whilst we're in this test phase, so in theory I can see as soon as some stuff comes in without you needing to do a feedback.

@Ness - thank you, I will add you too - and as I said to westmoors, you probably don't need to drop out of WSW, so long as maybe you don't upload training at 11.59am And anyway... you wouldn't score double points for visiting all the same squares on the same day, so I don't know what I was thinking about anyway

Great. I should be back to training as normal after this week. Just this week might be a slightly lighter week after yesterday’s half marathon.

@Ness - I see two copies of this morning's walk have just arrived, and they both look the same to me. I am hopeful that I should get all the reassurances I need within 24-48 hours

Hi Fetch, I can prob do this. No probs with duplicates. Which one do you want us to delete? Or will you just delete one after you've checked them? Cheers, G

It will be 7pm this evening after my gym is logged.

I can do this - only in Conquercise currently anyway

Happy to help as well Fetch. My only game is Conquersize, so happy to delete as needed. But won't the 'only one activity per zone per day' kick in?

@HappyG, @Badger, @um - I've added you to the list.

@HappyG - I am following all the testers, so I'll see when your uploads happen. As per the blog, "If you think there's an issue, please leave everything in place until I've had a chance to look."

@um - I mentioned that in the comments. Fetchpoint is the game that would see most disruption I think, but the others should be more-or-less ok.

I’ll help

I can do this too Fetch. Should be logging all different kinds of training. Hoping for a walk at lunch time and am running tonight. I don’t play anything other than conquercise. 👍

Thanks Corrah and Stiggers. I've added you to the list and followed your training.

Brill, thanks Fetch. Sorry, should have read more closely.

Happy to help if it helps!

Happy to help - I log most days, often multiple activities of different types. And it'll force me to look at my log here and see how it's progressed (*whispers: it's not my primary log so no problem with playing with it ... and that one is up for renewal in a month ...*). Already on a WSW break.

@flanker and @3M - thanks, I've moved you across and followed your training. At this rate, we'll all be testing

I'm planning to log something every day in November, and don't play games actively at the moment. I'll be logging some GPS training (running / cycling / walking) and some without GPS.

I'm happy to test. A duplicate shouldn't cause too much issue on fetch point ?? I often have walks and a run each day.

Thanks Doc and SK. I've amended my blog now to explain that I will follow your training whilst we are testing, so that I don't keep commenting the same thing

The GPS part is not important - it's just the transfer mechanism from Garmin that I am testing

Happy to volunteer 😀

I can help with this.

Happy to be a guinea pig and sort out the tidying etc.

Happy to help if you still need more. Only in Conquercise now but it would encourage me to get out every day for a walk at least!

Me me me, this interests me greatly! Haven't actively fetchpointed for several months so happy to drop out. Any news on whether Zwift importing into Garmin would cause Garmin to tell you there's a file to grab? Cheers!

I’m very interested and log something most days. I can come out of fetchpoint if that helps as I am not an avid player anyway.

@JC - we'll have to see whether the new system will include such notifications. I will also ask the question.

If you still need guinea-pigs I’m happy to volunteer as well 😁

I’m happy to help too if you are still after more people. I’m only playing conquercise.

How many people do you need? If you still need people count me in.

Happy to be added.

2 copies of lunchtime walk in log!

also interested in Zwift/Wahoo Systm being imported directly as they go to Garmin

I'm happy to trial it, and usually log something about 5 days a week.

seems I have been accepted My lunch run just reimported so now I have 2 copies. Once I've checked its the same can I just delete it?

Yes. Only keep both if there's anything odd to report

Looks like you’ve got a lot of folks already, but I’d be happy to get involved. It’ll help motivate me to get my sorry arse out the door now that I’m running again.

Happy to take part 👍

If you need more volunteers I’m happy to be involved too. As per Angus it will provide additional motivation!

Happy to volunteer. I log something most days on my garmin and don't actively play the games (I don't think I'm registered for any except conquercise which just runs in the background).

Happy to be added - I'm not actively playing any games and add training most days - a variety of activity types and a couple of different Garmin devices!

I see you have quite a few volunteers, I am happy to help if you need more, I log training about 4-5 times a week

2 absolutely identical wanders around the block, 1st and 2nd fastest matched efforts on the route Do you have any documentation you'd let a nerd read about the Garmin activity API? Looks like I'd have to be a registered developer to get access... I assume it's the push architecture they are turning off and encouraging the use of ping/pull?

JC - I'm probably not allowed to share it, but that's broadly it. I got a reply back about the Zwift stuff, and unfortunately, it reads "Unfortunately, due to privacy policy and business requirements, we can not send data through API that was synced up from other 3rd party apps to GC."

Just uploaded a ride - can you tell which is which??

No

Does no mean good?

Does it matter? or are you happy for me to just delete the duplicate?

You can delete whichever you want. I am only interested if (a) you don't get a duplicate, or (b) you spot a critical difference.

@Ness - yes

I shall peruse in detail.....

It looks like you've got a heap of volunteers but if you need one more, I'm happy to put my Garmin in the ring. I do play the games but from the comment above it doesn't look like it'll impact too much?

Me too if needed and I don't play any games...

Already a lot of responses but I'll muck in as well

I’ve got a short memory, I was puzzled why 2 runs uploaded this morning.

So, if I don’t notice a difference between the two runs I can delete one straight away?

Yes

If you're still looking for more, happy to volunteer...have some training most days, and am only in Fetchpoint and Conquercise as 'passing thoughts' and not really very active..... ?

Sounds like testing is going well. Didn't go to gym, first activity will be lunch time run. G

Looks like you have plenty but you can add me if you want. I think I am I conquersize tho i assume that will sort itself out as I delete dupes

Snap!

2 identicals. Check! G

And another 2 successfully seen. G