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Am I imagining that we were able to start the plan before the current week at one point? It could be useful to have the last two weeks volume graphed too...

I have no idea what happened to my plan for this week but Mon, tues and wed are grey and says I only plan to run 15 miles this...lucky my log tells me different.

LG when days have passed in the week they do grey out, and disappear if you remove them when you get a reminder notification. They should appear in your log if you've uploaded though.

Oh that’s good! Thanks Fetch 👍🏻

Ah thanks FF. never had it like that before

I need to think about this visualisation! But it looks cool.....

Looks like a great new feature. Thx.

Interesting. My coach usually gives me my training in 1-2 week blocks so this could with for me.

Remind me, is there a function to the training entries with the automatic uploads from my Garmin?

Sorry, can you rephrase the question please?

Sorry typed too quickly/ didn't proof read. Can you merge your actual uploaded workout with the planned workout?

mostly seems to be working OK - but a planned run for yesterday, which I didn't do has neither dropped into my log or dropped from the plan and I can't seem to be able to delete it. doesn't really matter as come Monday it will disappear.

What happened to being able to see previous weeks on the plan page?

@TeeBee - not currently. It's possible that training log entries might have a section titled "What I Planned On This Day". But it's a bit of a minefield to match up multiple training entries on a day to multiple plan entries.

@Rosehip - they don't drop into the log any more, the plan is now separate. Still aiming to offer a page to review/clear your previously planned items.

Thanks Fetch

Brill! Must have felt great to be running with him

Fantastic - with those long legs he'll soon be beating you!

Fabulous!

Brilliant!

Well done to the lad! He'll get loads faster if he keeps at it.

Looks dangerously like a runner.

Blimey - it only seems 5 minutes ago that he was a child! He’s full sized! (He looks a lot like you)

Just love this. He’s quite grown up!

what a bloody brilliant effort!!

He doesn't look knackered. I reckon he's got more speed in him still. Bet you're proud.

Amazing!!!

nice work, look forward to hearing some more of his running exploits

Hey Fetch, do you look at him like I do my own son, and reminisce about what it was like to have all your own hair and teeth?
Good luck to The Boy on running - he will get faster really quickly.

Good work!

That's a superb improvement! I hope he keeps it up.

Gosh, hasn't he grown! Good looking lad - and speedy!

Does he know about project joker?

Lol at GH. Does he know of any sites where he can log his training?

Great pic, great time

Crickey, he's grown in the time since you came camping! I used to love running with my kids.

My Young Lad, Jamie (aka FlyingScotsman), started training properly this year. Results are pretty impressive. They just have so much potential, don't they?! He's also very pleased with himself because he's suddenly the tallest person in the house

Blimey he looks thinner and taller since the Boston Fetchpoint.

Good looking boy. Sprouting! Was he excited by 2 min PB? My son used to like seeing his results online in parkrun. He could be in Bedford NotParkrun results? Good luck. G

Aww. When did the 'boy' become the 'man' though?! X

Excellent!

Great stuff, yes hope he carries it on

Good on him, and you!

He looks ridiculously fresh. Obviously hasn't gone fast enough.

you sound as if you enjoyed the run

That all made surprising sense.

(That sounds worse than I intended. It makes an awful lot of sense.)

Sounds exciting. Although I now have an earworm for the Manic Street Preachers.

is it only us oldies who note hilliness, surface etc?

I like the sound of all that. I use tags for a lot of things like that. Oh that reminds me of something that could be a feature request...

Excellent, particularly the hint about walking (and, I hope, hiking?!).

Brilliant work

Sounds good. Like the h.m.S stuff and walking as it’s own category.

Excellent thinking. I like the idea of surfaces that make sense to swimmers

I don't use the Training Plan, but presumably this change will affect us in a roundabout way: currently, when our Garmins do their little time travel bug thing (doesn't happen often, but they sometimes jump into the future in the middle of an activity), we know that has happened by looking in the training plan when a new activity doesn't appear in the calendar.

No biggy; we just need to find another way (unless, of close, you fancy tweaking the Garmin import routine to detect and alert when future timestamps appear )

It should already be checking that ishep. If the import date is now greater than tomorrow, then it assumes something has gone wrong, and uses todays date.

ChrisHB - only about 3.7% of users in October have registered anything other than the default value for hilliness, for example. They won't go away, I just want to move them into another table.

If I've not said it before, I'll say it now.

You are the D's b's, Ian. Keep up the good work..

I'd love to log some form of hilliness unfortunately that is difficult when I'm in the fens, however I do use it when I need to.

It’s not just you, Chris.

Super!

There is a lot of good things turning on this change, excellent

big thumbs up from me in sunny Brisbane!

I may have spoken to soon. My plan has disappeared :-

Sounds like progress

Every now and then the world has to be taken down and rebuilt. Sounds good to me 👍

Interesting insight, love reading this sort of stuff. One by product of the change though is that it seems I can no longer click on the detail of the training scheduled for today - e.g today it says 9m run and it's called tempo. But what the split of that session is I can't reveal! Not a real urgent issue as I know where I got the plan from, but suspect the changes you're making to make the plan reviewable historically would sort this out.

This sounds great

Looking forward to walking being a top level category.

Is there anyway I can go into a training plan entry for today (or past days) and move/edit/delete it. I use the plan to plan what I'm going to do but some runs don't happen the way they are meant to and I need to tweak them. Today I've woken up unlikely to do the 7 miles in my plan so I wanted to move it to tomorrow but its now greyed out.

Not sure what the state of the training plan is Fetch, but mine is empty? Everything from my plan is gone, if I click a day nothing happens, and if I try and re-add my plan from a saved plan, nothing happens.

Found an issue with the folks that use kilometres, which meant that the code was not coping. That should solve many of the 'missing plan' issues.

Tricky stuff, well done. Lots of feature requests around plans matching up to logged sessions etc. but I'm sure you'll take those into account if you can. G

I just had a look at mine. Love the new features of 'do it tomorrow' and I really like the new wording on the notifications. They're encouraging rather than telling me off for not doing it.

Ah, the new 'do it tomorrow' button solves my question. Thanks!

Good stuff Ian.

Sounds like you need to bite the time zone bullet!

It was amazing to be part of, love the fetchfam x

❤️

Oh where did that beard come from?!
I didn’t take part but have loved the blogs and photos and was doing lots of remembering yesterday. This is a very special thing to do every year.

#fetchfam
Thank you fetch for making this possible as uncomplicated as could be x

❤

and thanks for making this work with a long run, so I didn't have to carve out a portion somehow!

I thought this worked very well and enjoyed taking part. Thank you for staging the event

Well done everyone, but thank you especially for the clever background work make it work and be so inclusive.

I loved it, reading the tread and watching the gallery fill up. A truly joyful day and an example of everything that is fetch.

It was a very special event to be a part of. Thank you so much for making it work.

Lovely pic. And as I said in the thread, it’s special events like this that make me proud to be a Fetchie.

Well done for organising.

 Congratulations Tooms and SooWoo! Thanks for organising it.

Thanks for the effort of organising, it was great to be able to do something good in a year like this one.

The benchmark 5k was a great idea and thank you for making it work the way you do and that allowed so many people to become involved. This was my first time and hopefully not my last.
The way the Fetch community comes together, involves each other and supports each other is fantastic and I'm pleased to be part of this virtual friendship that at times become real life friendships.

Stay strong and stay safe.

Thank you

It's an amazing thing and although I didn't take part this year I did think of DrK and other Fetchies we remember at this time of year, while out on my run yesterday.

No thank you! So grateful that you found a way for this to go ahead given everything you, and we, have faced this year. You've made a fantastic thing here x x

I was woefully out on my prediction of 5k from part of a marathon, but it was so hilly from the off, I was out of puff before I started thinking about a 5k. It was fun to be part of something so big and Fetchy.

You’re awesome dude.

thanks you

Thank you. The memories were special.

❤️Thank you for letting me pay my respects this way. Loved all the ingenious K pics as well 😊

Great job, Ian! And as a connoisseur of these things, nice beard!
Might be good to do a combo next year? Parkrun result if you have one, this year style if not? Milton parkrun is accurately measured, but always shows short on gps because of all the switchbacks under heavy tree cover.

It was a great event to be part of - thank you so much for making it happen with your wizardry. And hats off to you for making sure everyone was happy in the end.

Thank you 😀

As one of the 7 not to read the exam question correctly I can only say a huge extra thank you for giving me a time. I am annoyed at myself as it was going to be a longer run but needing a 5k for parkrun & having tired legs I thought I’d stick with a strain 3.1m I only looked at my watch as the 3m buzzed. Next time I promise to behave myself.

Thanks for this great community and support as always!

❤️

Thank you. Really enjoyed reading all the updates on the forum too

Cheers Fetch. I was able to add my time manually but as usual I would also have to declare my result null and void because the treadmill gave me time and distance the whole time !!!
Thanks for organising the timing thing, seems to have worked smoothly for most people

Well done Fetch for putting this on

Well done Fetch. Worked brilliantly. Great to have some focus to reflect. G

Great work, Fetch and a big well done to everyone. I, shamefully not taken part this year, but definitely with you next time.x😃

Thank you! lovely reflective run to do & your time working on it is very much appreciated

you continue to provide through your ideas and innovation a wonderful environment for a community to flourish. well done on the 5k yourselves too !

Seeing that notification that you have been bought is great Funny to see the same name repeatedly... knowing they have bought then sold and then bought you again

I think we are being bought and sold by the same person Em

Just tried it, great improvement, thanks!

This is why I wanted it: same race, four years apart:

Very neat. Thanks!

Is there a way that rather than having pre-defined race distances (5km, 5 mile, 10km, etc) that you could select distances you've raced (800, 1500, 3000 for example)?

It looks like I can manual select the races but want the option to initially pre-populate.

Nice. Mild bug (I think) in that if you add another race, and then subsequently change the period over which the graph should show, then it produces nothing. I think the URL is a clue as it includes "distance=0" when it should be either "distance=[previouslyselecteddistance]" or "races=[raceref]" fetcheveryone.com/training-prerace.php?distance=0&unit=miles&weeks=15 This is just what I was after though! Thanks!!

Following on from Larkim's comment, would be happy to edit the distance in the URL for now. Just need metres enabled as an option...

Was happy to see that I can edit the URL to show 3.16 miles which gives me the Road Relays short leg of recent years

I might be doing something wrong here, so humour me! I want to see the graph of my marathon build ups including my more recent DNS / DNFs, but only over the last 12 weeks. So I click on marathon, click on the drop down for 12 weeks, all looks fine. Then I click to select a race and it reverts back to 26 weeks as a graph. Is that just me using it wrong!?

Fixed a few bugs...

SPR - metres is now enabled, and the list of available distances should now be auto-generated to include any distance that you've raced at least twice.

Thanks Fetch. Exactly what I was after. For those with lots of distances, it may work better as a a drop-down.

Nice, however the "choose by best WAVA" does nothing for me. By which I mean it doesn't appear to alter anything whether or not it's selected, rather than that it doesn't fill me with joy.

Re my comment about a drop-down. On laptop it looks fine. On phone it gets a little squashed in portrait although fine for me in landscape.

That's a great feature. Thanks!

I'm finding this really very useful, brilliant!

The distance options are now in a dropdown list, so they should be looking a bit neater now Plus because I've saved so much width, I put the 'weeks' box alongside it. Double win!

Thanks Fetch.

Fan-tastic! 🏆

Have you got rid of the really really old race comparison? It's one of the reason I hadn't actually moved across to the new one as I could see all my track stuff there. Obviously can see it here now so that fine but IIRC correctly it had a session type breakdown which I'm pretty sure I used in 2018 to diagnose that the reason why my 5000m pace wasn't where I thought it would vs my best at the time was because I hadn't done as many progressive runs. Is this type of analysis available somewhere else? The pace breakdown used on annual/ monthly summary would normally cover most things but it's harder with something like progressive because of the pace change.

I might have done, based on low usage. New feature request to add what you want to new version?

Question : I can't run outdoors at the moment (see my blog for details). Will the organisers accept my 5k time on that ? (don't worry, I won't win, I'm always way off !!!)

On that - I mean a treadmill ?

Excellent re: walking being picked up. Will add to my portfolio and have a go.

Hmm, I might have to revise my estimate, or choose a different route.

Will the system cope if you log more than one activity on that day?

FDNB - it should be fine.

Bigleggy - unfortunately it won't generate the necessary GPS data to pick it up automatically. But add it to your portfolio, and let me know your time on the day. But definitely don't win

Thanks. Well done, I'll be walking.......

In. Doing a 35k Skyline Race on Saturday, probably not a PB course.

Cheers Fetch - I just wanna take part anyway I can

If you don’t have gps watch you can download the ifapp app from the App Store. Search for Fetcheveryone (capital F) and use that.

Just don't press pause, and make sure you've got a good signal before saving

Yes that ^😂

the fetch benchmark system is wonderful - I have an idea...

quick question - with all these virtual runs as part of a single race - are you able to extract all the fastest 5k's and put them on a single map ?

Anything is possible

hmm, niiice...

Hooray for swimming! Our pool still empty They say it might reopen on Monday but there's still no word of us getting our jobs back. Too difficult to work out the logistics of swimming lessons, I fear. Need a thicker wetsuit!! And a different career...

Please do let us know how your friend gets on, or get him to come on and tell us himself afterwards. I think a youngish (presumably) person who's already fit from another sport and has six months or so of progressively increasing running training behind him could do surprisingly well.

Thank you for the reminder! Orders placed. I hope your friend finds a real marathon to train for and enjoys it with a bit more training under his belt; battling through the last few unfamiliar miles with no crowd support would be a very tough prospect.

I have a watering can. It took no programming whatsoever.

The problem wasn't the lack of means to carry water.

As a person that can kill a cactus I’m quite impressed with the plants survival.

Have you named him /her yet?

The Boy gave it a name, I'll have to ask him to refresh my memory.

Maybe make it a name tag so you don’t forget *shakes head*

He can’t remember, so we’ve brainstormed and decided on Lance.

Yep, he looks like a Lance- good choice - now don’t forget it!!

I interested how you knew that Lance needed a two second squirt every day and for the second part of my question, what is the quantity of water per squirt and as a supplementary question is the squirt calibrated to always supply an equal amount. I maybe should have asked those questions in a different order .........

This made me smile.

@D2 - the time was just a guess, but in theory the quantity is consistent-ish. I did some testing (see my blogs from a month or so ago), running the pump for longer periods to get an average volume per second. I guess it varies by how much uphill work the pump has to do; and the more water in the vessel, the more pressure on the water in the tube. Maybe

Just looked back. Five seconds is approximately 80ml.

Thanks for asking, Fetch. I am running. That is all.

I like the plant watering system.

Pretty good here, thank you.
Well done for swimming regularly.

Our leisure centre pool has been open for a month or two and we 'may' be re-starting my swimming club's Sun eve sessions. But we've got to canvas our members to gauge interest as it's large pool only, lane swimming for a max. 25 people and there's no sauna or steam room. Lots of them like to lounge around in the shallow end or sit in their hot room of choice so there's probably a limited interest in actually having to swim constantly. At least with my swim club, the lack of changing facilities isn't a problem

Loving the slightly over engineered watering system Top work !

Based on my fairly similar experience, the only change i would make is 2) do some walking right from the start, walk a bit in every mile. And maybe not got too far in 1), in case he breaks himself.

Not *go* too far.

2, a lot, 3 and 4 and 6, don't do it.

yes, lots of walking from the start, very good, as per Galloway.

WS's #6 When were his HM/ 16 miles? Can't have been that long ago. Maybe do the French* long run of 30 km? Slowly. Do a couple of shorter runs below MP to get used to the pace. I'm presuming that as a relative newbie his "easy" runs (if there are any!) are not easy enough. Most importantly, on the day, don't run the first half at HM pace.

* I remember reading way back on here that French runners generally consider 30 km as quite sufficient as a long run in marathon training.

my max run before sunday was 6.55m
if he wants to do it he can
he'll hurt during/after
but as long as he accepts this and is happy then
Def 2 3 4 5
I'd say testing fuel water and carrying this is more important that distance now

Get another 16-miler under his belt in the next few days then start tapering. On the day, go off at least a minute per mile slower than his half marathon distance training runs, expect it to be a bit of a grind towards the end, and start eating and drinking early. I suspect he won't do too badly if he keeps his wits about him.

When he does his 'test flight' - wear the exact same kit be intends to use on the day, so he can see whether anything is going to blister/chafe/irritate after four or five hours

In the days afterwards, walk regularly, and drink plenty. Keep yourself moving and hydrated. Enjoy the experience as best you can. You can go for a time next time. Because there will be a next time.

Galloway's run walk......times/ratios at the bottom of the PDF

and the link
jeffgalloway.com

I ran with a friend on Sunday she’d done a marathon last year but had trained for it. This year she barely ran early part of year and almost not at all since March until about 8 weeks ago when I said I’d join her for the mara. She only went to 8.5m with me 5wks ago.

So what you have 100% esp making sure he picks the kit he’ll wear and wear it for his training runs from indies out!

Body glide / Vaseline for potential chaffing

Fuelling 100% key this mara was my first time nailing fuel and the difference was unreal. Same with hydration. I find too much sweet stuff kills me so testing it now is important.

Try to get him to think of it as a distance PB.... with a time expectation he may well do a 4hr marathon but setting out with say a 4hr aim and needing to walk more can give negative thoughts. Much better to work in even 6hrs and smashing a sub 4.5hr. My friend worked on the route and expected times at each meet up point she massively understands estimated how long and from mile 9 was behind in her eyes and it really impacted her mindset.

As you suggested but 3 days before his attempt, start drinking more water, add or swap a meal for a pasta based meal. As mentioned above run slower than his longest run.

Walk a lot, and when he runs, run as slowly as possible even if it feels stupidly slow.

Join the best running website around (it won't cost him anything unless he chooses to contribute) and write a blog asking for advice. He could even put that he is asking for a friend if he wishes. Or start a thread in the forum. Then write a blog about how it all went as well and feel the Fetch love all around him. Then buy the bloke who runs the website a pint - or bung him a few quid through the site to let him do so.......

unless he plans to walk a significant amount of it then I would suggest he doesn't do it as its too much too soon

Agree with EdJ's advice about making sure beforehand that his clothing and footwear are spot on.
I wonder if this chap has a friend - a friend who genuinely believes he can succeed and wants him to succeed - who would be willing to support him on marathon day.

Essentially he’s got a week to train in and a week to recover/taper before the event. I’d say one, maybe two, longer runs, a couple of miles longer than his regular run distance. In the taper week cut back to 80% of regular effort. There is little to gain by wellying out an excessively long run now, more to lose by getting over fatigued or injured.

Kit and shoes are paramount. Blisters, chafing and / or bleeding nipples are are real pain or even threat. Sounds to me like he can do it 👍🏼

It's you, isn't it? It is, it is. If it's you, just take it easy and enjoy. Nothing that can be done in 17 days will help physically anyway. That's why it's taper time - ! If it isn't you and the person hasn't done a marathon ever before then just read about it, and get someone to be ready to hand them fuel and catch them at the end, cos it's gonna hurt! G

I'm not sure what his rush is to do one in the next few weeks, but each to their own. If he has his heart set on doing one sooner rather than later remind him to eat and drink before he feels like he needs to during the run, pick a pace that feels ridiculously easy and then run a bit slower than that, trim toenails (but not too close to the day of the run), buy some Compede plasters in advance (just in case), don't get to 26.2 miles and immediately sit down - a bit of slow walking while drinking and getting something to eat might help with the inevitable stiffness, remember it is supposed to be fun, be able to recognise the difference between 'this is sore because I am doing something really hard' and 'this is sore because I am injured'

^ really good advice HF?

Has he got a friend, or friends to support him? As in drinks & feed points, so he doesn't have to carry much, if anything. And maybe partners for (eg) miles 15-20 and 20-end ?

And a rescue plan if he really does crumble at any point ? Sometimes it can make sense to decide to DNF rather than break yourself completely?

Wait a few years.

Run walk

I signed up for vVMLM with only 24 days notice (but was already training for a half in September) I just added a 16 miler, and an 18 miler at T minus 21 and T minus 14 respectively, did a 2 week taper, ate and drank plenty in the last 3 days and got around fine. Nothing new on race day and aim to finish & enjoy it! I’m running again 3 days after my first marathon so it is possible :D

Some great advice. Mine is simple. Target is just to finish (no time). Kit is key, as is glide/taping dodgy areas. Fuel/hydration - take it seriously. Time on feet (walking is fine) as getting used to moving for 4+ hours is key. Run on tired legs, back to back days are great or double run days. I did no specific training for vVLM, RTS helped, running when I really didn't want to. Enjoy it, take in the scenery, chat, smile, don't look at watch.

I wouldn't bother with another long run at this point - there will be little training benefit so close to the event, and a number of downsides from tiredness, demotivation if it goes badly, through to injury. Also don't get hung up on the easting pasta / carb loading, just stick to a sensible diet with enough calories not to have a deficit and plenty of liquids and electrolytes.

Don't set off too fast, pace yourself.
Enjoy it but don't expect too much of yourself.
Be prepared for the "post marathon blues"..

Have a bit of respect for the distance, and maybe train for it, rather than formulate a coping strategy. There are 12 week plans and 16 week plans, and to just knock one out is a bit rude.... IMHO

6, absolutely, 6.

Dont do it, you should not have encouraged a non runner to jump all the way to marathon.

Sorry to be the realist but this is why people get hurt and lose the love of running.

Too much too soon.

It's not the best idea but if he's absolutely committed to the idea then he needs to be prepared to walk a lot and hurt a lot more both on the day and for several days afterwards. He could easily train for a marathon in the spring and would probably absolutely nail that.

and here was me thinking i was the only grumpy one!

I'm already hooked and I only started trading this week

It feels like a completely new game. I’ve played since the start and will be interested to see how the changes affect things. Good to see that some of my fellow long term traders are also giving it a go!

I want badges, but don't want to reset. Boo. Fine.

We should reset the whole game on 1st january.

Great stuff! The fresh lick of paint has breathed masses of new life into the game, just going by forum alone. Really nice to see😀
My only issue is a decision problem with resetting or not - but that's down to me and me dodgy traits 😂

It is a job and no mistake, bonners. The thing that keeps knocking on my mental door is going back to a 1000 credits and making Trader life so simple😊. I think that'll be the thing that pushes me there in the end.