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Ooooh! I'd be interested now that I've got a cadence-measuring running gadget
FWIW, my cadence when racing 5k or 10k is quite consistently 180, but on training runs it tends to be a little lower. I'd be quite entertained by a pace/cadence curve.

Interesting, hell yeah it’s another graph to look at 😀

180 is comfortably hard, easy runs ten to be 160-170 - but that's based on looking at a very few runs for which I have data - when I've got some more (new watch ) then Hell Yeah! this is fab

Hell yeah

@bonners - it’s just using the raw data from your watch. Maybe there’s a setting there?

Hell yeah, again! 😏

I like the cat

Hell yeah!

My garmin watch shows 170, Garmin connect website/app shows 170, str@va shows 170, fetcheveryone shows 85
That would make you think that fetch was halving the cadence number, but on looking in the TCX file from Garmin there's loads of fields in the form 85
So actually looks like the watch, GC and strava are all doubling the raw data !

ahh the pasted field name didn't work due to angled brackets, was
{ns3:RunCadence}85{/ns3:RunCadence}
with angled rather than curly brackets

We need more cat pictures. Lots more cat pictures.

Cool data though, so 'hell, yeah!'

Hell yeah! I’d love to see the data.

Yes please, there are also a few cadence suggestions in the suggestions box. Make them all be on the two leg variety, but also show cadence for splits, you can then see this even clearer with cadence running intervals sessions!

It's not that faster cadence tends to bring about faster pace, but that faster pace tends to bring about faster cadence. Or maybe there's no direct link either way, but having an extra coffee makes both your cadence and pace go up

Hell yeah, the more stats the better

What 1Step and RichHL said about cats. My FitBit doesn't have cadence although it does have the data for a manual calculation for the average across a workout (quite useful for a parkrun, less useful for intervals with walk breaks). I'm not sure whether that would import, but I might start getting the calculator out and use a bespoke field.

I don't care about kittens either.

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To increase pace you must increase cadence and /or stride length (because distance run per minute is the produce of steps per minute multiplied by step length. Most runners increase both cadence and stride length as they increase pace.

It is possible to create mathematical models that demonstrate that it is most efficient to increase both stride length and cadence as pace increases. However, mathematical models are not the same as real people. For most individuals, an attempt to consciously increase cadence to a rate that feels unnatural usually results in loss of efficiency at first. However runners who have a natural cadence less than 160 (steps/min) at 5K race pace, will usually improve efficiency over a period of time if they make an effort to increase their cadence. The majority of well trained runners have a cadence around 180-190 at 5K pace. Many elites increase their cadence to around 200 steps/min in the final l lap of a 5000m track event.

Cadence also tends to increase if you lose leg muscle power, because stride length decreases as muscle power decreases. Cadence must increase to maintain a specified pace As my leg muscle power has decreased with age, my cadence has increased. Even when jogging, my cadence is around 180. At 5K pace, my cadence exceeds 200.

Hell yeah. And thanks Canute.

Can't beat a soft-focus hound.🐕

Hell yeah! Would also be interested if you could include something about stride length.

Hell yeah!

I think the relationship should be between cadence and effort. Below I show a variety of runs and most are at about 180 cadence other than parkrun which is an effort at close to 190. If I am runnig at 180 cadence on the flat then I go much faster than if I am runing at the same effort up and down hills.

Not sure that's very helpful Fetchiepoo! Faster cadence will always correlate to faster pace. The cadence debate is about faster cadence reducing injury risk by shorter stride length, less heel striking. And secondly if it increases efficiency for better long distance endurance. Jury's out on both. Not sure you've got data that you could use to show any relationship for that though. G

Interesting stuff. It would be particularly useful if similar data could be produced for bike cadence and swim cadence....hint, hint....

I'm going to upset the theory.
My cadence is the opposite - high cadence (85-90) when I am running slower, reduced cadence (78-82) when I am running quicker
That suggests to me that I am exerting more leg power the quicker I run.

However, I am well known for speeding up during races, so the higher starting cadence (= shorter strides) could well be my way of holding back my pace initially. I feel that those earlier shorter strides are preserving energy for the later quick racing, whilst at the same time enabling me to run at a reasonable speed without over exerting myself.

"Faster cadence will always correlate to faster pace."

Not true! Pace is a function of cadence and stride length. I can keep the same cadence and go faster or slower.

Hell yeah. I just tried some maths and working out how I would plot this. Now I understand what you are showing. Nice. Only question is why the smaller pace bars are taller - does my head in 😀

any update to when we might see this?

Not yet - been caught up in other stuff. But I think it'll prove interesting.

I approve of the kitten. I have no idea about cadence and I don't think my Garmin does either.

thanks

Very clever! I predict it won’t be long before I need to use it!

Nicely done. I've raised a couple of feature requests which might (easily?) extend this capability - to allow both parts to be saved instead of one saved, one culled. That would allow a single run to be split into "warm up" and "tempo", and if needed then you could go into the tempo bit and split that further into "tempo" and "cool down" etc.

Also, would be helpful (for me at least!) for the distance of each section to be shown to 2 decimal places. But that's just me being picky!

It'd be quite nice to trim other people's traces for WSW

Hopefully will never need this, but its good to know its there

this is brilliant

Sounds like a simple solution to a common prolem - very impressed the way you've solved it. (without knowing if it was 5 mins or 6 months coding & testing ...)
Without resorting to a new feature request (yet) :-

- it would be great to be able to save both old & new (primarily to save 'trimmed' as a route to delete the actual address details for start & end points)
- will it remove conquersize (& checkpoint) zones as appropriate? (if saved as ther old training)

Biut agree with Rosehip - this is sheer brilliance. Well done & thanks!

Am I still on Fetcheveryone.com?

Thank you um - it was a day's work, I'd guess Larkim has already put forward #542 asking for the ability to save both pieces. And it doesn't fix any of the games yet.

Lol at trimming other people's GPS's - typical Fetchie skulduggery! G

Excellent! Thank you, this is something that I do regularly and I suspect I’m not alone

Could have done with that last week when I had been back from my walk and had lunch before I realised my Garmin was still on

I've got to get back on Multiplay somehow HappyG

Great. Thanks.

Yes I’ve done this and it’ll certainly take the worry that I’ll do it again. I had the same thought as Larkim so I’ll go off and vote for it.

I trimmed my walk today. Was fab to be able to do it, but fiddly to get to the right section to trim. Perhaps that was just my mobile though? I like it. Thanks Fetch!

I've just used it - not because I forgot to turn my Garmin off, but because it had apparently recorded half an hour of innactivity before I started the run and it was annoying me.
Fetch

@Wine Legs - it *is* a bit fiddly on smaller screens - you could try landscape mode, so there'll be more bar to fiddle with.

LOVE IT!!!

Fab! I'm ALWAYS forgetting to stop my Garmin! Thank you

Really really useful. Top work

Just a question really - is the slider "time" or "distance"? I'm guessing it's "time" so that if you were stationary for a prolonged period of time you'd be able to slide back until you started moving? I don't think I have too many static parts in my logs, so I can't discover this for myself!

It's technically neither - it's based on the number of data points in your trace. My Suunto takes a reading every second - so it's effectively the same thing, but other watches may have a larger or varied sampling period. Does that answer the question?

Yes, makes sense. Effectively it scrolls time then, as each data point will be recorded at earlier and earlier points in time.

Just seen this, I really need it - Thanks!

This is a great feature and has already been used when I forgot to switch my watch off. It says that it doesn't feed through into fetch games yet...does that mean that if I go for a run, and then drive home, and upload the session the whole of the run and drive will count in WSW and Fetchpoint even if I trim the session for the purposes of my log?

Unfortunately, it's not clever enough to tidy the games up yet, no.

So, in the above example, if I import session, trim session, delete session, reimport session (I'm using a Fitbit) - will that be treated correctly by WSW and FP in terms of squares claimed, flowers planted etc

Again no, sorry - when you reimport you will be picking up the raw data again.

I've got some logs which are properly marked as "Cross Training - Skiing" but they are still showing as my fastest km etc. I can / will just click to remove, but wondered if there was a gremlin causing those to be included in the first place?

But I likey likey the concept / execution!!

I'm confused - probably just me - It tells me my fastest mile was 4:42 on 5th September 2018 - but in the training log that runs shows as an average of 10 minutes per mile. If I tell it to remove the 4:42 will it remove the record of that run in my training log - which looks fine?

Marvellous! Nice to have recorded my fastest ever 1km (albeit downhill ) on the day that you launch this feature.

I think there may be something wrong here. I started deleting the 1m times that were too fast but there are a lot of them.

@mikep - click on the date for the entry and it will take you to the specific training log that has caused the calc.

@elsie - removing the 4:42 will not delete the associated training entry. In fact, it doesn't seem to be associated with the existing training entry from 5th Sep 2018 at all - so it was maybe a training entry that you'd deleted some time ago because it was wrong. I will see if I can weed these entries out of the database.

@larkim - if you can let me know some example ID's for your skiing entries, I will see what I can sort.

I like it. I had to remove a 23 seconds 400m record, though. I don't think I have ever broken 30 seconds for the distance.

@fetcheveryone - this entry 16130131 has been picked up for my fastest 400m for example.

Turns out I've done a reasonable job of cleaning the data that goes into making this new table, but when you visit 'Your fastest efforts', the older stuff isn't quite so consistent. I've added something to the "delete training" page that will tidy up its associated benchmarks, so if you're able to tidy up your list, it *should* stop happening.

Hmm, gremlins.... my fastest mile for running is showing as an implausible 4:25; when I click on the acitivity date, though, it takes me to a ride. My second fastest is showing as 5:17, but the activity was a 45-mile ultra (12268659) where I definitely did not run that fast at any point!

I am working backwards to amend the miscategorised entries.

Easy enough for me to tidy my bits. I might be wrong, but I don't remember the "benchmarks" page having details for 400m and 800m before, which is why I had erroneous data in there that I didn't know about.

@ishep - regarding the ultra (12268659), one of your mile splits in the notes is 3:01 - and looking at the trace, my guess is that there's some kind of lost signal - it jumps in a very straight line, between mile 6 and 7.

@larkim - I haven't touched the benchmarks page for several weeks.

Doesn't the new top line of 400m 800m 1km etc etc come with this new stuff then? Perhaps I'm just remembering an older layout from when I last viewed it about 6 months ago.

I've corrected any mis-categorising in the most recent million entries in the training log. Working my way back through them all.

I think I updated it in mid-October, to push the GPS benchmarks up above the basic ones.

@fetch Ah, ok - thanks, I missed that!

It's found me! I think this is a piece of information I shall allow to exist outside my line of vision.

I take it that parkruns are not in the 5k league? I have about 30 runs faster than my 5k time.

And now i've read the weekly bit. Is this the senior moments page??

Nice idea. I doubt I’ll be up there.

Great work!

Fixed a few, caused in one case by Garmin still on while driving away from a run session and one where Garmin went haywire and had me flying over a canal.

Question - the forever bests don't seem to go back before about 2015 and my bests were 2013 generally. Wondering what might be cause of that? G

I wondered that, I thought that I had done better bests pre 2010 but thought I must have misremembered

Yay

Ooh I LIKE it now ( and I know I'm one of the most prolific bloggers)

Hang on, you took away the thing I liked!?!! (tweets viewable)
Don't think anyone is going to click a link blind.

ptb - say what now?

I'm sorry your changes weren't appreciated, I thought the scrollable list was great.
I like the "click here to watch for new comments" button - has that been there long?

It's no bother - it was pretty clear that the previous iteration wasn't working well for everyone. Getting negative feedback is part of the process - I usually just need to step back for a couple of hours and think about how I should have done it

The link under the button arrived yesterday, courtesy of feature request 516

Ooh that is much better.

Bear with.

I like it!

At *some* point the tweets over there --- > changed from being just plain text, to fuller 'embedded' versions, showing pictures and whatnot too. Which I said I liked earlier this morning.
Then it looked like you'd taken it away... and I'm wrong, that's just firewall-y stuff on this PC, testing reveals. Apologies!

Good change, although it was quite nice to see the titles in case one grabbed your eye.

That works really nicely for me, thanks. With my low volume (1 per month approx.?) showing the titles without having to go down to month would be good, but understand it would be a pain for the blogadaws. Good rapid response that man! G

I like it, I like seeing the blog titles and the full-featured Twitter feed

It's a good quick way of developing & enhancing - as long as you're ready and happy to tweak as you go. You could have sat planning and designing it for a week - instead, put a quick effort in and you get nearly instant feedback.
And a few hours later and a few tweaks and it's getting great feedback.
And even sneaked a search in.

Thanks - good job, well done!

I like the search - because it takes you to a new page it isn't obvious that you are still searching only the same person's blog posts - though I can see that you are. Maybe just add some text to state that you are searching {insert user name here}'s blogs?

Interesting - if you search your blogs for "Howfar?" you only find one of the 2 blogs that you have written this month with his username in the title...

I think that implies that it is searching the blog content and not the title...

Much betterer cheers

I thought the previous amendment was okay but the new change is even better. Thanks, Fetch.

That’s the thing with honest feedback this looks good now though

(Ps click here button is great)

I really like this. Thank you!

Oh I like this a lot. I can't have had much work on in 2009 as I wrote twice as many blogs as my next most blogged year and six times as many as I seem to have written in recent years!

This is much better! Thanks for listening (even though I didn't say anything on your last blog )

I think (if there's room) it would be good to have also the date beside the blog title in that side-list. Helps, as a reader, to see if you missed one, or a few, or loads.

Somewhat... However, if there are years and years of entries and you want to look at, say 2012, you scroll down to find it but as soon as you click on an entry, the slider is back at the top at Jan 2020

like it but agree with mcG

I was scrolling through the list over there -> thinking, "These titles don't belong to *my* blog." Then I realised ...

I agree too - and I miss the profile & Twitter feed stuff being nearby

Might help if it was a bit less 'grey' thinking about it: maybe have the shading around month names in red? At the minute, it's a bit of an amorphous grey scroll.

Oh crikey!

A stunning reminder that Change Is Not Good

I like it but then I like simple things. It’s good

Sharkie and McGoohan will be scrolling all day

Perhaps I should de-clutter my blogs!

I like it.

Not great on phone. I was happier with it before

Ah that's better with the red month headings

Specific issues would be more useful, if possible.

Red month headings help. Could the type size could be smaller? Being a point size or four bigger than the entry opposite makes the list very dominant. Also perhaps just '16 Jan' rather than the day of week and the ths and nds? Admittedly that would duplicate the month, but would look neater.

Brill

Looks better now - thanks Fetch

Not keen. It looks like everyone has no other blog entries. Those lists - so long! And (tablet, Android) I have no red month headings.

And I don't like "add to faves".

Much better with type smaller, and no ths and nds! Thanks!

Oh. I don’t like it. I can’t easily pick a year. It’s a big scrollathon. Sorry :-/

Could you make it collapsible by year so that you can shorten the list if you know that you want something from 3 years ago?

On mobile it's not friendly because there is no read to help identify the months.

Like the tweets reformatting. nice one.

Sorry fetch, I don't like it either, it crashes my phone chrome app because there are just so many previous blogs. It was better before.

I did a search for "Round Sheffield Run", knowing that there is a thread called exactly that. It didn't feature in any of the results:

For a result thread that has multiple pages, just seems to take you to the last page, which for me was not the page that had the search word - if there are hundreds of pages in the thread then not too helpful. Taking you to first occurrence would be better ( with resultant word highlighted, so you can see immediately which post in the page has the word ), but even better would be take to first occurrence and a prev/next set of buttons to navigate multiple page matches within a thread.

If you put in 2 words, I thought it might search for occurrences of those 2 words together, but I think it returns threads with just either one of the words. Tried quotes around the 2 words but didn't work. Not sure if you plan to enhance it to work with 2+ words in some way, or just single words.

Agree with K5 Gus's suggestions - some form of logical operator in the way that Google searches, so phrases "Hello world" or Hello -world. Searching across time periods is sometimes helpful too.

Is there any way the design of the site or its visibility to engines such as Google could be tweaked so that a Google search would actually work (from within the site). ISTR that the Guardian uses this on its website - would take the strain off your coding powers. It looks to me like they just embed a link to google.co.uk and let Google crawl / index / return results for them.

Just to expand on the above, because forum URLs are unique to the page I don't think it is possible with Google's custom search to search just one individual thread (that is my most commonly thought through "missing" on the FE searching). It would be nice to be able to search the 3:15 training thread, for posts by XZY in the period 01/01/13 to 01/04/13 for example.

I was going to say exactly what Gus said.

You can get Google to search our forum, with all its massive computing power. Just add site:Fetcheveryone.com to your search phrase.

You can, yes. But it does it badly. For example, it doesn't allow for a specific thread to be searched, and the results it returns with date parameters will include more recent updates (e.g. I tried searching on the sub 3:15 thread for posts with my username in between the dawn of time and May 2013. It returned a result from around that time, but the only reference to my username was in the sidebar).

But anyway, you could just add a google search box onto your website which is constrained to this site. Free google searching within your site (as I noted the guardian does for its own site).

Confirming that in my experience, Google with site:fetchxxx fails miserably.
Search fetaure is godd, but my 'requests' would be (largely as above)
- search within a specific thread or across threads
- optional time span
- multiple words - either in "" for exact match, or + - to force or exclude
- for search across threads - link to the first occurence and then allow easy repeat search within that thread
- for search within a thread, show all occurences in the results (page by page) with links to the page

Good luck - and good first start !

The use case I had in mind whilst putting this together is that of a new/inexperienced user who wants help with training for a marathon, and might therefore search for 'marathon training'. Of the threads that are returned, the top ten all have hundreds of instances of both words - so highlighting all instances or even the first instance isn't necessarily helpful to our imaginary user.

I get the feeling from the level of detail being suggested in the comments that what might work best for you all is a thread-specific search (which is computationally more achievable for our solo server), rather than something which attempts to cover the entire forum. I'm imagining the thought process that goes "XYZ claimed to see an upside to Brexit on the politics thread. It had something to do with mackerel" - and this being a key word that you could apply to that specific thread. Yes, you won't always know which thread, but I think it would cover a few bases.

@Sigh - the algorithm is looking for those words within the thread. I'd made the assumption that anything in the thread title would also be mentioned multiple times in the content. I will see if I can tinker with it to include the titles.

I searched for 'hydration packs' and it returned lots of links to threads. I haven't time to check them, but if I was looking for information, the titles of quite a few of the threads would have me clicking on them for further information. Looks promising

Fetchpoint brought back just what I was hoping for

I searched for "press" as in press ups, and there were a lot of forums with "press" in the name brought up. But lower down the search list there was some that I couldn't see the connection to the word I searched for. Even when reading through some fo the forum (but have to say I didn't read all the pages) I couldn't see why it had been brought up.

I think you're right about those two usecases being different. Personally, I'd approach the first one by curating some content specifically for them - point them in directions of good threads, blogs, articles, wikis etc on the site, rather than searches.

I think for persistent users the second usecase is what I'd like to see - "I know this content is in here somewhere, I think it was on this thread around about this time". Just thinking about other forums I use (where often they use off the shelf forum products) there's typically a "search this thread" and there's nearly always the ability to search for a specific user's posts and a specific time period. The results mostly return each individual post (or a link to it), sortable by date or by some calculated "best match" with keywords highlighted. Whilst I love the forums here, I've often wondered whether you've considered porting the self-built forum across to one of those off the shelf platforms (which I believe can be obtained for free in some cases like myBB) so that you don't have to build from the ground up, or you can take a leap to "forum 2.0" if you've reached the end of the development opportunity for your custom built forum.

Not sure how much use it would be for what I'm interested in, which is finding particular things that I vaguely recall being discussed before, but now can't find. For that, the use case is more like others have described above - take me to a specific comment/page where the words appear, but the search would still have to be across all threads. Being able to specify key words in title, name of poster, date range etc. would also be useful. But nice to see you working on some Search capabilities. Will follow with interest! G

I can't see me using third party forum software larks, sorry. Use of our forum is increasing, so it feels like it's working reasonably well; our proprietary code makes it so much easier to avoid spambots (who would be all over us if I mishandled a single patch of widely-used software - they are constantly probing our server for the admin pages and security flaws of half a dozen such off-the-shelf packages); the integration and maintenance would not be trivial IMHO - certainly not proportional to the benefits of doing so; and I think I'd feel hamstrung by it. But I will add a thread-level search

Perhaps it's easiest to think of the new prototype not as an all-singing, all-dancing search, but as a step up from the current one that you can access by clicking 'Search' at the top of the page and choosing 'Search Threads'. It just uses thread titles, whereas this new prototype takes into account the keywords pulled from the content; the number of watchers; and the recency of the last post.

I can fully understand why you wouldn't want off the shelf; I've seen enough forums rendered useless due to spam etc! And I can hardly claim that I don't like the way the forum works given how much I use it! Some of the feature suggestions on the polling page would definitely make it better, and most are informed by the fact that other forums offer those features, but it is a pretty damned impressive and reliable forum to have been custom built!! So I hope you don't take my comments as a criticism!

Look forward to the thread level search!!

Thanks for starting

Similar thoughts as lark and G(rrr) above - I would like to be able to find something from the mists of time, within a thread or a blog. I generally don't know the thread title (or maybe I do, but it's a giant thread), nor the blog title.

Things I can think of that I would like to have found recently:
- GlennR blog about Jordan Peterson book
- thread where Stander chucked a cigarette butt out of a car window

[attempts using prototype search]

No success. I notice that adding more terms increases (rather than refines) the number of results, which isn't normally how search works.

Interesting. I searched for gravy (obviously) and it came up with 20 different deathmatch threads.

Here is a test to find flibbertigibbet in this blog/comment

Hold on I meant forum.....

Nope....didn't find it or any.

It was easier to find things like 'marathon training' threads when you could search under the forum training heading - please restore those.

Only when the threads were under the right heading :-/

I put in Prague lots of times for you just to prove if you put “is it Prague” it will give you responses based on is and it so it’s helpful to be able to use commas to narrow the search to phrases

Does the forum search have a home yet? I keep hunting down this blog to find it.

Here I am again!

*waves*

👋

Lol

Well done. I've cut out alcohol completely but my eating habits remain the same, as does my weight. I snack a lot, especially at work.

Changing eating habits isn't easy, well done and good luck going forward.

(Great title, too)

Crisps are my downfall. They are not allowed in the house. Alcohol I control all year, even Christmas, christmas is really an extra Sunday Roast, I may have a beer or two more, to the extent I do not put weight on...what also helps is we deliberately have a few days hiking in and around the holiday. Sitting about is banned.

Well done

oh, AND, you could big this up fetch-wide....
fetcheveryone.com/viewtopic.php?id=60149

Great start! I find the hunger between meals thing (and, for that matter, the fancying a beer in the evening) is staved off surprisingly well by having a pint of water. Happy side effect is increasing my water intake, which is something I need to do anyway

I'm in a very similar boat. Having lost a lot of weight over 2019, the Christmas indulgence has put some of it back on. Haven't had any alcohol since NYE and back on my intermittent fasting routine.

You've made a great start with a terrific plan ahead. Well done!

Well done. Unfortunately we're still working our way through the huge amounts of chocolate and wine that somehow made their way into the house over Christmas. Well, it would be rude not to.

@minardi - I'm relying on The Boy to deal with the remaining chocolate and crisps

Can you send him here when he's cleared your place please?

Yep, behave or you'll end up like I was!

Good work Fetch! I really need to lose a bit off my middle too, Mrs SB is doing a dry January so that helps me stop reaching for the gin. As my mileage increases I'm hoping that the combination will see progress on the scales, especially now that the Christmas biscuits have finally gone!

@SB - I'm also aiming to increase my miles. In my case, this usually leads me to believe that I am invincible and can eat whatever I want so I'll have to be careful with that.

Impressed! Now is the time to do it, before your marathon training mileage really ramps up.

I’m in! Lost 3 kilos over December, including Christmas. Need to keep it off and more. Currently 103 kilos but need to be much much closer to 80.

Good start. I need to get back into the habit of eating better after Christmas - just haven't really got started again and with a drawer of festive snacks and chocolates in the kitchen still...

I can't stop with the Christmas 'attitude' of snacking and cheeky drinking. Being back at work has helped though (being 20+ miles from the kitchen helps)

Well done! A stone isn't really all that much but in my case made a big difference to my speed and energy up the hills. I had tried giving up sweets, etc., but all that meant was that I had a massive dinner every night instead. I shifted it eventually by recording everything I ate for 6 weeks. I'm using the app again now, mainly to watch what I ate over Christmas and lose the extra couple of pounds (done) and keep it off.

I still eat sweets and treats but much fewer - 2 lindor balls instead of half a dozen; 2 biscuits instead of the packet

@ITG - I'm not being hard on myself if I have bigger meals at the moment. I figure that the food I eat at meals is going to be healthier than any short notice snack I grab from the cupboard. I can look at portion sizes later

I know a great forum for those cutting down or cutting out alcohol, you know? It's on this really great community website, for runners, swimmers, bikers and everyone else... fetcheveryone.com/viewtopic.php?id=18416

Well done on weight loss. Never easy. G

good plans. you know that hunger feeling? you have to learn to love the feeling, just like learning to love the tired leg feeling after a good run. everytime you feel it it is another step towards your goal

Ian - I find I 'naturally' put on weight in the winter (typically 81-84kg) and am less heavy (78-80kg) in summer.
I've stopped worrying about it, assuming it's a natural thing. Probably fairly constant input (plus xmas binge of drink, choc, snacks, cakes, cheese) and seasonal output, ie I suspect winter running is gentler, well wrapped & less sweaty, whereas summer is faster, sweatier, probably more miles and more time spent running & walking.

Good luck with it. I have 8lb to lose but really struggling to get started....

Making any kind of change like this is super hard, well done for trying, many don't even bother or give up easily. Everything in moderation, eat well, move as much as you can and enjoy life

Good luck and good start, may the force be with you.

welcome Jedi Master Fetch lighter will you be

That's a great start to the weight loss campaign. I'm trying to lose a few pounds by generally eating a bit more healthily too. Am cutting down on alcohol and chocolate - crisps don't tend to feature that much anyway.

In my head, I'm eating sensibly. In my mouth, not so. Funny how my brain can interfere with my body when I'm running, and make me take unnecessary walking breaks, but it says not a word when I consume unnecessary biscuits Good work though Fetch

Use kg, they are actual units, and make sesnse. You get a continuous measure of progress (or not), and they relate to the units everything else is in e.g. calories! Pounds and stones are 50 years past their best before date, and that's being generous!

I'm up voting DocM for treating a little bit of hunger feeling as something like muscle tiredness!
And I'm up voting boyband to say you should use kg if you want to compare weights

The bit about running more makes you think you are invincible I do recognise But it helps a lot, and I like to embrace the idea that running means I can reward myself a bit!

Some of my "things" for this are:
- think about how many good things I'm eating, more than bad things. So I do a variant of the 5-a-day thing which I officiously track
- don't worry about how much I eat in main meals, within reason (as Fetch says, healthier than most snacks!)
- don't buy lots of cheap treats (biscuits in my case) and when I have some, eat them as a deliberate act. E.g. I'm going to take 10 minutes to drink a nice cup of tea, with two biscuits, and enjoy them. Mindful snacking

Nuts as snacks, especially mid-morning may help you control overall calorie intake. Also, most whole nuts have lower actual calorie content than on the back of the packet, almonds and walnuts ~20% less, cashews ~15% less and pistachios ~5% less. FM me for the evidence if you're interested.

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That's lovely

Wonderful!

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perfect

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HowLovely. ♥️

Sentiments that we all agree

with !!

Brill

Well said Howfar? (Statement)

Lovely gesture from HF.

Lovely

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That's fabulous. Fetcheveryone is an oasis of love and friendship in an often nasty and spiteful internet. This is down to your skillful and careful stewardship (and Howfar? Is a top Fetchie)

and agree with the statement whole heartedly

That's wonderful

That is indeed lovely. I shall be buying one - it's a wonderful idea...

What a great idea ...and looking good the pair of you 😊

These are splendid :-D

Such a lovely idea

How lovely.

That is lovely

That is a great idea!

That’s fab.

Love this

Fabulous! (The url has a rogue comma at the end of it)

I bloody love that, all of it.

awesome

Lovely idea😀.

Very nice

He is a bewty x

Wonderful.

What a most fabulous idea.

Wow

How wonderful.

You both look absolutely splendid. And that is a great idea. HowFar? is top

A-one! That's a proper titfer and make no mistake.

Excellent!

Cute hats and isn’t HowFar sweet?

I have just got home after a day by the river and this has really made me smile. I’m delighted you like the hats and the concept. I’m sure you’ll find three excellent heads for the other hats.

That's just so Fetch

Love the site changes, thanks. Hope your training continues to go well so you can get to Newport.

Good to see you getting your distances up again, onwards and...further

Been busy you have ...rest now you must

^ listen to the Jedi, lots of good work and features today

- my graphic tells me I once did an 8-day streak, I need to look back at that an see how I did it...

- and thanks to the graphic I now know that two were wrongly categorised walks!

Wow, busy, busy - thanks for all the improvements.
A small point ( or maybe question ) regards the creaks/streaks - as you'll know there's a creaks and streaks graph on the Train page for the time period in your Graphs Settings, in that the creaks are on the left and streaks on the right, whereas on this new page it's the other way around which confused me initially. Is it worth standardising the 2 graphs to one way ( whichever way you think is best ) ?

You have been busy! Keep up the good work

I like this a lot

Doing great stuff, as always. Thanks

Thank you

Ta

Ta boss.

Well done! 👏

Good work that man! I need to put in a Feature request for the Consecutive page because the toggle between Run-Only and Everything confuses me. I thought it was telling me it *was* Run-only, when it's a button to change *to* Run-only! And I'll put in a separate Feature Request for Run, Swim, Bike, Cross Train to all be switch on/off able. And a tick box or option to "Ignore X-train - Rest" and X-train - Bugger All in count. Because I use them for notes about folk visiting, giving blood etc. They're not training! G

I think I might have logged some walking as running during my highest ever month

I really like this feature. Thank you.

Nice! Interesting to see me highest ever monthly total wasn't in my highest ever annual mileage year.

I like that - I will go back to my highest month to see how I managed to do it in a February

Now depressed that my top 23 months were in 2003, 2004 and 2011.
Best 2019 month is at #35



Thanks Fetch

I discovered I've had four 200 mile months, not one as I thought

Ah yes. Highest mileage closely followed by long running injury. Be careful with your progression out there people

Fab, but there’s no walking total.

really like that new feature

Love it, they were all ages ago so something to aim for (once this bloomin cold and cough has done one)

Nice new feature. Thanks

Quite interesting to see - even though I see them all the time, having it explicitly ranked brings it home.

One to discuss, for feature requests, have you considered a 'bounty' feature? So if there is something someone desperately wants, and they're prepared to put money behind getting it done (whether token amounts, or real amounts), then they can support the site, and make it better for all? It wouldn't come up very often, but might be a way of diversifying revenue, and also letting people draw attention to any features they desperately want (after all a vote doesn't capture strength of feeling)

Great feature. Shame that my highest month in 2019 still only ranks at 55

A featured feature

Thanks Fetch.